War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
Lol. Right. I've argued my points to where you ended up cursing me out more than once.

I don't mind doing it again eventually. When I feel like it of course.

Right now I'm just sitting back and enjoying the Ukrainian trolls make fools of themselves. Again.
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I actually think I do remember that one night at band camp Curly. I did put you on full blast for the hell of it as I had been drinking and just decided abusing your smooth brain was the most fun to be had at that moment in time. I was right in my assessment too 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wouldn't diplomacy be a far more desirable and cost effective way of resolving these issues?
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Sure. It starts and stops with full compliance with the following:

Putin publicly acknowledges Ukrainian independence
Russias complete withdraw of all Ukraine land including disputed territory
Russia pays for the complete rebuilding of all Ukraine property
Billions paid in fines
A non aggression treaty from Russia to Ukraine that severely penalizes Russia on the event they break it
Russia pays all costs for weapons supplied by outside countries that was done to arm Ukraine
Massive trust fund for the families of all Ukrainian's murdered during this. Including soldiers.

That's a healthy start
 
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volfanhill said:
Sure. It starts and stops with full compliance with the following:

Putin publicly acknowledges Ukrainian independence
Russias complete withdraw of all Ukraine land including disputed territory
Russia pays for the complete rebuilding of all Ukraine property
Billions paid in fines
A non aggression treaty from Russia to Ukraine that severely penalizes Russia on the event they break it
Russia pays all costs for weapons supplied by outside countries that was done to arm Ukraine
Massive trust fund for the families of all Ukrainian's murdered during this. Including soldiers.

That's a healthy start
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This is the same compliance that global warming folks think about.

Weird group of folks who want other people to tell them how to be.
 
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T Clifton said:
This is the same compliance that global warming folks think about.

Weird group of folks who want other people to tell them how to be.
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He said he wanted a to talk about negotiating an end to this. That's where I would start if I were Ukraine. Has nothing to do with your dumb connection.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I actually think I do remember that one night at band camp Curly. I did put you on full blast for the hell of it as I had been drinking and just decided abusing your smooth brain was the most fun to be had at that moment in time. I was right in my assessment too 😂
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Lol yeah right. You must have been drinking a lot in the past few months then.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The reason why the Russians have been grinding along slowly since Lysychansk and Severodonetsk were liberated is because the Ukrainian forces have been held up in fortified positions. It appears for now that this counteroffensive by Ukraine has taken them from those protected fortifications and now is making it easier for the Russians to take care of them out in the open. I'm on the fence on whether I believe this was some great plan by the Russians to draw them out. Some analysts are saying that is what it is, a few others are doubting this. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think they may have expected some sort of counteroffensive, but the Ukrainians may have brought a bit more to the table or they caught them off-guard in some manner. Also, the Russians reportedly made some shuffling of commanders after the fact and you even had Ramzan Kadyrov complaining about the Kharkiv offensive this weekend. I think in the next week or so, we will know if this was really a momentum swing for the Ukrainians or if it was similar to the previous offensive on Kharkiv a few months ago that fizzled out after they claimed to have pushed the Russians to the border north of town.

As far as the much talked about Kherson offensive, that is pretty much dead in the water. Nobody wants to mention that debacle in Western media. The Washington Post is the only one I've seen thus far that gave a gruesome tale about the huge losses that Ukraine suffered in that region.
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Oh dear god… you are seriously trying to say the Russians retreating, giving up territory, leaving behind huge amounts of armor/vehicles/equipment, taking big losses is some “great Russian plan to draw them out”? 😂
No one is that fu***** stupid to buy the sh** you’re trying to sell with that. Also, what’s your deal with kadyrov? He’s a piece of sh** murder, torturer, lowest of the low scum. No one cares what that fu**er says or thinks. Hopefully he joins his buddies soon and gets shredded by western weaponry.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wouldn't diplomacy be a far more desirable and cost effective way of resolving these issues?
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Diplomacy?

Who are you trying to kid? Did you type that with a straight face?

What kind of diplomacy hands Ukraine to Moscow? Is that the nonsense you're trying to peddle to us. That it's Ukraine who is being unreasonable by not capitulating?
 
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volfanhill said:
Sure. It starts and stops with full compliance with the following:

Putin publicly acknowledges Ukrainian independence
Russias complete withdraw of all Ukraine land including disputed territory
Russia pays for the complete rebuilding of all Ukraine property
Billions paid in fines
A non aggression treaty from Russia to Ukraine that severely penalizes Russia on the event they break it
Russia pays all costs for weapons supplied by outside countries that was done to arm Ukraine
Massive trust fund for the families of all Ukrainian's murdered during this. Including soldiers.

That's a healthy start
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In a perfect world all of your conditions should be met. But realistically I think the bold is the most we can hope for.
 
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Septic said:
Diplomacy?

Who are you trying to kid? Did you type that with a straight face?

What kind of diplomacy hands Ukraine to Moscow? Is that the nonsense you're trying to peddle to us. That it's Ukraine who is being unreasonable by not capitulating?
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They should have taken the deal that was on the table 8 years ago with the Minsk agreement. Now, if they are lucky, they only lose the southern and eastern sections to Russia and likely have Poland grab Lviv afterwards and be left as a landlocked state. Or they can continue and fight to the last drop of Ukrainian blood and to last European economy.
 
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apevol said:
Exclusive: As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide
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The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.
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Asked about Reuters findings, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "That has absolutely no relation to reality. No such thing ever happened. It is absolutely incorrect information."

Kozak did not respond to requests for comment sent via the Kremlin.
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volfanhill said:
He insulted 95% of the people in this thread and then when called out claims victim hood. And continues to do so. The level of cognitive dissonance is breathtaking
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Lol. This coming from one of the biggest drama queens and moral authoritarians of the entire VNPF. Your long winded and worthless rants are well documented here.
 
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Six months on from the start of the war, Kozak remains in his post as Kremlin deputy chief of staff. But he is no longer handling the Ukraine dossier, according to six of the sources who spoke to Reuters.


"From what I can see, Kozak is nowhere to be seen," said one of the six, a source close to the separatist leadership in eastern Ukraine.
 
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So there was an attempt at diplomacy. That failed.

What's your next excuse?
 
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