War in Ukraine

[apevol]

Who?

Ras

 

[hog88]

Ras

I'm beginning to wonder. Ras isn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination, he's just drunk on the Putin Kool-aid.

 

[FLVOL_79]

We did invade. WTF are you talking about? Oh oh oh... "we" used Cuban exiles as proxies.

61 years ago and you still can't let it go. Are you Nikita's ghost?

 

[apevol]

I'm beginning to wonder.

His position has become untenable and he doesn't know how to bend his way out of it. The rest started full bore dumber than dirt.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It seems the head of the class are me, you, Volgr, LSU-SIU, Big Orange Train, and Clifton.

 

[TVOLS]

The Critical Moment Behind Ukraine’s Rapid Advance

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/...-DU6dcEM7rfnj0YeaNcjjkEOVKw4LA&smid=share-url

 

[FLVOL_79]

Under their stupid theory, Russia gives Cuba a tactical nuke... sets it off right outside of Gitmo. No harm, no foul as Russia just gave it to them. LOL

These people are so bonkers... hey, let's just disconnect everyone from the federal reserve system. LOL

More Cubans would die than Americans. The math checks out. Whats the problem?

 

[FLVOL_79]

I'm beginning to wonder. Ras isn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination, he's just drunk on the Putin Kool-aid.

Ras is the online troll mentor for the rest of them.

 

[hog88]

Ras is the online troll mentor for the rest of them.

He's not a troll, Ras is a true believer.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Just like Russia's economy was supposed to collapse after we stole $350 billion of their reserves?

$350 billion taken out of the Russian economy is a far proportionally bigger hit than $600 billion out of the Chinese economy. If Russia hasn't buckled and collapsed after that, WTF makes you think China will?

Again... leave this conversation to the smart guys at the head of the class.

The whole world would collapse financially in a few hours, think 2008 crisis on steroids.

By imposing sanctions on only $20b of gas on Russia caused a margin call of roughly $2t to Europe. The leveraged used in today's market including but not limited to derivatives makes any disconnect (whether by China's choice or not) impossible without global reset.

I would imagine ATMs would stop working within hours. It would be like playing Musical Chairs, but once the music stops the music never comes back on.

China is too big to fail. <---- If China collapses, China doesn't have a problem.... the globe does.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I guess the same point you have been trying to make, nobody has clean skirt.

I am fully aware that no one has a clean shirt. My argument with you is that you act as though the use of proxies removes all guilt and responsibility from the United States. You say slick s^^t like "The US didn't invade Cuba" and believe that the US and the rest of NATO isn't at war with Russia or wouldn't have attacked Russia before Feb. 24th, even though the entire purpose of arming and training Ukraine over the last 8 years was specifically to fight Russia. Its a juvenile effort to use deceptive language that nobody is buying.

Again, throw the stone and hand our hands.

 

[hog88]

I am fully aware that no one has a clean shirt. My argument with you is that you act as though the use of proxies removes all guilt and responsibility from the United States. You say slick s^^t like "The US didn't invade Cuba" and believe that the US and the rest of NATO isn't at war with Russia or wouldn't have attacked Russia before Feb. 24th, even though the entire purpose of arming and training Ukraine over the last 8 years was specifically to fight Russia. Its a juvenile effort to use deceptive language that nobody is buying.

Again, throw the stone and hand our hands.

Then you misunderstand my argument or most likely reading things into that you want to be so.

Again. Nobody was ever going to attack or invade Russia, wasn't/isn't going to happen and claiming so is irrational.

 

[apevol]

He's not a troll, Ras is a true believer.

Ras has been here all along and he and I do not agree by any stretch, overall, but he is capable of arguing a position and I can respect some of the points he makes.

BOT is the same idiot he's always been and shows up just to he a miserable **** whining about what everyone else thinks.

volgr literally sounds like an overly patriotic immature russian boy from csgo or some other online game with stars in his eyes over Russian tech.

Clifton is on acid.

SIU is a ****in whackadoo. Dude quoted Lewis Carroll at me en route to blocking me after babbling casually of tactical nukes, dog **** and stupid white people for a couple weeks.

Donjo has become little more than a pathetic sycophant clinging to Ras's boot straps without ever forming a coherent thought of his own.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Then you misunderstand my argument or most likely reading things into that you want to be so.

Again. Nobody was ever going to attack or invade Russia, wasn't/isn't going to happen and claiming so is irrational.

And none of the following were going to invade the United States: Iraqi, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Panama, Yugoslavia, Grenada, Cuba, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Cambodia, El Salvador, North Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, etc.

At the end of the day Russia's strategy is to keep NATO/unfriend-lies off that border for a reason... so that they don't have to face invasion.

Nobody is going to invade Russia in mass because of their strategy, hence the strategy. Hence the use of creep.

 

[hog88]

Ras has been here all along and he and I do not agree by any stretch, overall, but he is capable of arguing a position and I can respect some of the points he makes.

BOT is the same idiot he's always been and shows up just to he a miserable **** whining about what everyone else thinks.

volgr literally sounds like an overly patriotic immature russian boy from csgo or some other online game with stars in his eyes over Russian tech.

Clifton is on acid.

SIU is a ****in whackadoo. Dude quoted Lewis Carroll at me en route to blocking me after babbling casually of tactical nukes, dog **** and stupid white people for a couple weeks.

Donjo has become little more than a pathetic sycophant clinging to Ras's boot straps without ever forming a coherent thought of his own.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

His position has become untenable and he doesn't know how to bend his way out of it. The rest started full bore dumber than dirt.

What do you mean untenable? I've gotten a bunch of this right on the nose since 2014. The one mistake I made in February was I didn't believe Joe Biden when he kept saying that Russia would invade around February 15th of this year and instead took the word of 3elensky who was pouring cold water on the idea. I had no idea 3elesky was a bigger BS artist than Biden. But outside of that, I have been warning you guys for years that the US playing this sanctions game was going to backfire on them if they go that rout. I told you guys that Europe had no reliable, cheap alternatives to Russian energy and all you clowns kept talking about was America could ship LNG to Europe. Well how is that working out? I told you guys that this was going to be a resource drain and a money pit if we continued down this path... And since about the 3rd or 4th day of this conflict, it became clear that Russia was winning this conflict... and the maps bare that out right now. Now the only thing left to wonder is if Europe will be able to eat and heat this winter and if Putin will be able to not only demilitarize Ukraine, but all of NATO as well.

 

[LouderVol]

And none of the following were going to invade the United States: Iraqi, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Panama, Yugoslavia, Grenada, Cuba, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Cambodia, El Salvador, North Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, etc.

At the end of the day Russia's strategy is to keep NATO/unfriend-lies off that border for a reason... so that they don't have to face invasion.

Nobody is going to invade Russia in mass because of their strategy, hence the strategy. Hence the use of creep.

You listed a bunch of countries that the US has invaded. None actually border the US. You think we need Ukraine to invade Russia? Heck parts of Russia are closer than any of those countries you mentioned.

And again with all that war mongering, and as weak as Russia has been in the past we have never invaded. And never even come close.

And it still doesnt explain how Russia can be non chalant about Finland joining NATO, or that NATO already borders Russia. Seems like your 30 years of nonsense is applied sparingly.

 

[FLVOL_79]

What do you mean untenable? I've gotten a bunch of this right on the nose since 2014. The one mistake I made in February was I didn't believe Joe Biden when he kept saying that Russia would invade around February 15th of this year and instead took the word of 3elensky who was pouring cold water on the idea. I had no idea 3elesky was a bigger BS artist than Biden. But outside of that, I have been warning you guys for years that the US playing this sanctions game was going to backfire on them if they go that rout. I told you guys that Europe had no reliable, cheap alternatives to Russian energy and all you clowns kept talking about was America could ship LNG to Europe. Well how is that working out? I told you guys that this was going to be a resource drain and a money pit if we continued down this path... And since about the 3rd or 4th day of this conflict, it became clear that Russia was winning this conflict... and the maps bare that out right now. Now the only thing left to wonder is if Europe will be able to eat and heat this winter and if Putin will be able to not only demilitarize Ukraine, but all of NATO as well.

Russia is being embarrassed while Europe is forced to innovate new energy technology.

Guess we gotta give it to Russia. Without their incompetence and stupidity reducing reliance on fossil fuels might have taken longer. They've provided the catalyst to spur innovation. I'm sure all part of Putins plan amirite?!

 

[FLVOL_79]

And none of the following were going to invade the United States: Iraqi, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Panama, Yugoslavia, Grenada, Cuba, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Cambodia, El Salvador, North Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, etc.

At the end of the day Russia's strategy is to keep NATO/unfriend-lies off that border for a reason... so that they don't have to face invasion.

Nobody is going to invade Russia in mass because of their strategy, hence the strategy. Hence the use of creep.

When did NATO invade any country?

I'l hang up and listen..

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Again. Nobody was ever going to attack or invade Russia, wasn't/isn't going to happen and claiming so is irrational.

Based on what I am seeing right now and the way NATO is sending in arms to Ukraine, I simply find that hard to believe. Not to mention, for 30 years, since the break up of the USSR, every leader in that country has simply asked that there be a buffer between NATO and Russia. How else is Russia supposed to respond when there wishes and concerns are ignored time after time. This isn't 7 months in the making... or 8 years in the making. This has been an ongoing problem for 30 years. Let's not be coy... NATO is a military alliance... key word being "military". So to act naïve or coy or playing with loopholes (no signed agreement to not expand NATO for example) and act like this military alliance did not pose a threat to Russia is nonsensical. But I'll play your game and assume that NATO had no intentions of ever going after Russia... why then did NATO not respect the concerns that Russia has spelled out to them over the last 30 years? At the very least, you may not have had any intentions of attacking Russia, but it sure looks like you don't respect their concerns. That is just as problematic because it does foster trust. It shows that the West are not honest negotiators. And at times like this, if the other side of the table doesn't trust you, then you can't make deals happen.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ras has been here all along and he and I do not agree by any stretch, overall, but he is capable of arguing a position and I can respect some of the points he makes.

BOT is the same idiot he's always been and shows up just to he a miserable **** whining about what everyone else thinks.

volgr literally sounds like an overly patriotic immature russian boy from csgo or some other online game with stars in his eyes over Russian tech.

Clifton is on acid.

SIU is a ****in whackadoo. Dude quoted Lewis Carroll at me en route to blocking me after babbling casually of tactical nukes, dog **** and stupid white people for a couple weeks.

Donjo has become little more than a pathetic sycophant clinging to Ras's boot straps without ever forming a coherent thought of his own.

Which is it: Are you drunk or are you high right now?

 

[hog88]

You listed a bunch of countries that the US has invaded. None actually border the US. You think we need Ukraine to invade Russia? Heck parts of Russia are closer than any of those countries you mentioned.

And again with all that war mongering, and as weak as Russia has been in the past we have never invaded. And never even come close.

And it still doesnt explain how Russia can be non chalant about Finland joining NATO, or that NATO already borders Russia. Seems like your 30 years of nonsense is applied sparingly.

If NATO wanted to invade Russia they have Latvia and Estonia on the border and hell Kaliningrad Oblast is completely surrounded by NATO, wouldn't take much to "annex" that little piece. Now as you pointed out Finland is apart of NATO and it sits on the Russian border thanks to Putin's invasion. It's ludicrous to claim Putin invaded Ukraine to prevent a NATO military incursion into Russia.

 

[Rickyvol77]

America won't act against North Korea or Iran because nukes but NATO was going to launch an invasion against Russia? You honestly don't see the lunacy in that?

I thought it was about Nazis. Which lie is it this week

 

[hog88]

Based on what I am seeing right now and the way NATO is sending in arms to Ukraine, I simply find that hard to believe. Not to mention, for 30 years, since the break up of the USSR, every leader in that country has simply asked that there be a buffer between NATO and Russia. How else is Russia supposed to respond when there wishes and concerns are ignored time after time. This isn't 7 months in the making... or 8 years in the making. This has been an ongoing problem for 30 years. Let's not be coy... NATO is a military alliance... key word being "military". So to act naïve or coy or playing with loopholes (no signed agreement to not expand NATO for example) and act like this military alliance did not pose a threat to Russia is nonsensical. But I'll play your game and assume that NATO had no intentions of ever going after Russia... why then did NATO not respect the concerns that Russia has spelled out to them over the last 30 years? At the very least, you may not have had any intentions of attacking Russia, but it sure looks like you don't respect their concerns. That is just as problematic because it does foster trust. It shows that the West are not honest negotiators. And at times like this, if the other side of the table doesn't trust you, then you can't make deals happen.

If NATO wanted to invade Russia they have Latvia and Estonia on the border and hell Kaliningrad Oblast is completely surrounded by NATO, wouldn't take much to "annex" that little piece. Now as you pointed out Finland is apart of NATO and it sits on the Russian border thanks to Putin's invasion. It's ludicrous to claim Putin invaded Ukraine to prevent a NATO military incursion into Russia.

 

[LouderVol]

If NATO wanted to invade Russia they have Latvia and Estonia on the border and hell Kaliningrad Oblast is completely surrounded by NATO, wouldn't take much to "annex" that little piece. Now as you pointed out Finland is apart of NATO and it sits on the Russian border thanks to Putin's invasion. It's ludicrous to claim Putin invaded Ukraine to prevent a NATO military incursion into Russia.

You also have turkey and Romania with a water border, and we have seen how capable the Russian black sea fleet is.

Oh yeah and the Baltic