War in Ukraine

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Velo Vol said:
It's true they're (to some degree) treating the soldiers like canon fodder. My point is that with demographics now (probably unlike the past) Russia really can't afford to lose a large number of productive-age males to either the war or (fleeing from it.)

The country is literally flushing its future down the drain.
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Their birth rate was already very low and, outside of the war, their population fell by 430,000 people in the first five months of 2022 and falling further. Many who leave due to the war will never return.
 
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Vol737 said:
Their birth rate was already very low and, outside of the war, their population fell by 430,000 people in the first five months of 2022 and falling further. Many who leave due to the war will never return.
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Yep. Unless they open up the doors to immigration, they're going to have real problems as a consequence.
 
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KB5252 said:
What did he do now?
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Kadyrov, a Putin ally who has long supported the invasion, said the Russian leader should conduct a strike using "low-yield nuclear weapons" on Ukraine following the loss.

"I don't know what the RF Ministry of Defense reports to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, but in my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons. It is not necessary to take every decision with an eye on the Western American community - it has already said so and done a lot against us," he wrote in a Telegram post.

Chechnya's Kadyrov Urges Putin to Conduct Nuclear Strike After Lyman Defeat (msn.com)

Just another thug running his mouth.
 
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KB5252 said:
What did he do now?
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Basically got things shaken up along with the leader of the Wagner group and got one of the generals run out and replaced.

With regards to his comments about using nukes, you would think that would be a clear illustration of the phrase "be careful of what you wish for" with regards to regime change in Russia. It should be obvious that Putin is more measured and patient than most of the people around him. Hell, if the US would have been in the same situation, we would have definetly been discussing the use of nukes by now. And that is a fact.
 
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AM64 said:
Well Russia certainly doesn't have bodies from Ukraine and all the other ex-Soviet satellites to throw into the fray, but they've always seen life as cheap when it comes to the non-ruling class, so you have to think they'll sacrifice what they have and anybody else (like Belarusians) that they can buy or otherwise drag in. Who knows, Putin seems to think a lot of Ukrainians are Russian anyway - same with Crimea. Your point may also be why Putin is pushing the nuclear threat - he understands that the cupboard is not as well stocked with cannon fodder as his will to push them into battle, and you have to suppose facing the reality that his thoughts about being a dictator don't go nearly as far these days as they used to.
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Have you looked at any map of Russia/Soviet Union between the 1780s and 1991? What the hell are you people talking about?
 
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AM64 said:
Ras's thinking on that completely ignores our antiwar movement during Vietnam and ultimately the policy
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I'm not sure where you are going with this comment. What does antiwar protesting and bombing Dresden have to do with each other?

I hope you are not suggesting that we were bombing the s^^t out of civilians in Germany in order to save them and cause regime change, because your own example of antiwar protests in Vietnam disproves that line of thinking. Was it necessary for the Vietnamese to bomb the hell out of Los Angeles or Topeka in order to create antiwar sentiment here at home?

AM64 said:
Ras may be in the minority here about US policy, but there are countless others of us who believe that our military actions in the sandboxes were complete futile wastes of time, energy, resources, and most of all, lives.
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Were? That is past tense. You act as though we are not engaged in these "wastes of time, energy, resources, and most of all, lives" right now. Yet, we have the nerve to finger wag at Russia for defending their people and maintain a security buffer within their realm of influence.


AM64 said:
Another point about this particular war in Ukraine and our support is that for once we are playing the proxy war instead of being victim to a proxy war - specifically Korea and Vietnam and the "wars of liberation" sponsored by the Soviets. For another, we are finally at long last supporting an ally who is willing to fight for themselves against a major power (or supposedly so).
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There was nothing noble about inserting ourselves in what was essentially a civil war in Vietnam anymore than it being noble for you to openly admit that we are using a proxy against a far better foe that is grinding their army down. Cannon fodder... This could have been resolved anytime in the prior 30 years before February 24th, 2022 with an ink pen instead of rifles. All NATO had to do was either stay where they were and not move east, or better yet, NATO should have just disappeared after the break up of the USSR. And as a sidebar, we should have moved our troops out of Germany when the UK, France and Soviets did. That would have been in the long term best interests of Germany and they wouldn't have been an occupied vassal of the US that has no independence or self-determination. But of course, it is about keeping the Americans in, the Russians out and Germany down. It is clear that NATO's agenda even after 1991 has been to rein in Germany and Russia in the interests of the US and her allies.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah, the German peoples will. The people that work to supply the German army, won’t rise up against the NAZI government. You act like an army and government are completely separate from the civilian population and that’s ignorant.

No it’s not a reasonable assumption, it’s ****ing stupid.
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I'm beginningto wonder if some of you supported Sherman's March to the Sea...
 
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AM64 said:
Russia has always thrown bodies into wars. There is lots of cannon fodder there just like you'd suppose of China. It's the reason for the warning about never being drawn into an Asian land war. And it's certainly the reason for euthanizing any political or military leader stupid enough to talk "war of attrition" when fighting an Asian enemy.
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Here you go with the generalizations. Is it "always" or was that just the situation that occurred in WWII under Stalin?
 
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apevol said:
i say lets go ahead and get it over with, but let everyone know when its gonna happen. I wanna spend my last hours on earth on a high note
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I'm not sure if you are being serious or facetious. This Ukraine situation has caused some of you people to take nuclear anniahilation less serious than is necessary. You had clowns in a studio audience clapping and cheering that idiot Liz Truss talking about being ready and willing to set off nukes.
 
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Vol737 said:
Their birth rate was already very low and, outside of the war, their population fell by 430,000 people in the first five months of 2022 and falling further. Many who leave due to the war will never return.
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Meh, likely addition by subtraction. The people that left were undoubtably the more liberal, west leaning crowd in academia and the political class. I doubt very seriously a huge number of the people leaving were built for military service anyways.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Basically got things shaken up along with the leader of the Wagner group and got one of the generals run out and replaced.

With regards to his comments about using nukes, you would think that would be a clear illustration of the phrase "be careful of what you wish for" with regards to regime change in Russia. It should be obvious that Putin is more measured and patient than most of the people around him. Hell, if the US would have been in the same situation, we would have definetly been discussing the use of nukes by now. And that is a fact.
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remember that time his kid was getting his ass whooped in a boxing match and the OTHER kids corner threw in the towel?
 
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MG1968 said:
I don’t get it. According to our rezident Putin apologists, Russia is winning this war on all fronts. Why the nuclear weapons talk? Instead of conscripting cannon fodder, where are all the supposedly elite Russian troops that were recently playing war games with China and India?
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Well, the nuclear talk was initiated recently by Liz Truss. Putin is simply responding to those comments and to anyone else in The West that may be entertaining using them.

Also, as far as I know, and I could be wrong, but Russia doesn't have a history or track record of using nukes in combat.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, the nuclear talk was initiated recently by Liz Truss. Putin is simply responding to those comments and to anyone else in The West that may be entertaining using them.

Also, as far as I know, and I could be wrong, but Russia doesn't have a history or track record of using nukes in combat.
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Why would anyone in the west entertain the use of nukes? Russia is the one losing badly against a supposedly inferior opponent.
 
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