War in Ukraine

[USF grad in TN]

So did the leadership just assume the position of authority or were they elected by the people of the country? If it were a complete democracy with the people deciding everything, nothing would be settled or work ... ever.

I read early in the "special operation" that public opinion pushed the leaders in at least parts of Europe to get off the sidelines and help Ukraine. Public opinion shift was also stated as a reason that Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO.

 

[AM64]

I read early in the "special operation" that public opinion pushed the leaders in at least parts of Europe to get off the sidelines and help Ukraine. Public opinion shift was also stated as a reason that Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO.

I didn't mean to infer that public opinion counts for nothing. Politicians (probably universally) have one overriding goal, and that's to be reelected - that's not happening without public support. On the other hand without the quick application of policy (hopefully firm policy) any country waffling on public opinion (possibly without full factual basis) is going to be devoured by the wolves.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I take an Apache chopper to the grocery.

I identify as an Apache chopper when I go to the grocery store.

 

[NorthDallas40]

OMFG this has to be the exact same group of idiot thugs that sprinkled copies of the Sims games around the staged Nazi materials a few months back instead of SIM cards for burner phones. What a bunch of incompetent morons the FSB has become.

 

[NCFisher]

I identify as an Apache chopper when I go to the grocery store.

Chopper culture appropriator.

 

[BreatheUT]

I would say its very telling what you are doing as we are probably close to dozen posts now and you wont' answer a simple question.

I went ahead and reported your posts for trolling and put you on my ignore. Just my two cents, its a silly way to spend one's life. Good luck to whatever it is you do.

Hey don't put Zep on ignore. He would never do that to you even if y'all disagreed to the bitter end. Don't be a VolMain. You should welcome opinion and disagreement even if you don't like it. Zep will eventually answer. I'm vouching for his character though he doesn't need me to.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The polls indicate most people support the government. Of course, you’ll post a picture of a “spontaneous” protest with Russian flags.

Well we know about polls...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Is this a joke? Instead of going through his actual quotes, I’ll simply point out that your posts about how we are risking nuclear war by not “negotiating” are basically you admitting Putin is threatening the use nuclear weapons.

No it is not me admitting anything. it is me recognizing that The West/US is the one that is itching to escalate this to a point where they force Russia to go over the line. I don't go to sleep at night worried about what Putin will do next. I worry about what Biden, Liz Truss/UK or Poland might do next.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Considering how TN became the Volunteer State, and Volunteer is associated with UT, I'm just wondering how long before there are calls for discarding "Volunteer" and pulling down a statue on campus.

It won't be me or anyone on this side of the argument doing that. I'm not a wokester.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You forget the US military is under civilian control. Civilian control decides if/when the military acts, places limits, sets agenda, determines rules of engagement that often negate the effectiveness of our weapons systems ... often absurdly expensive weapons systems that they approved - sometimes even over the objection of the military. Civilian control is necessary as an extension of foreign policy and domestic safety; micromanagement by civilian authority rather than those on scene is just bad management.

As a vet and generally from a military family, your analysis is both wrong and frankly repulsive.

And you say all that (which is technically true), yet you are in here supporting the very same agenda that the leaders push, so you are just as complicit.

 

[tvolsfan]

No it is not me admitting anything. it is me recognizing that The West/US is the one that is itching to escalate this to a point where they force Russia to go over the line. I don't go to sleep at night worried about what Putin will do next. I worry about what Biden, Liz Truss/UK or Poland might do next.

Right, if Russia uses nukes to deal with their faltering land grab, it’s Biden’s fault.

Biden can’t make Putin use nukes or force Russia to go over the line. But again, this is you effectively admitting Putin might do something dumb and dangerous.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Right, if Russia uses nukes to deal with their faltering land grab, it’s Biden’s fault.

Biden can’t make Putin use nukes or force Russia to go over your line. But again, you’re admitting the possibility Putin does something dumb and dangerous.

It was easily explained, and you know that. Russia will only respond with nukes if it is used against them. Let's not pretend that Russia plans to use nukes offensively...

 

[tvolsfan]

It was easily explained, and you know that. Russia will only respond with nukes if it is used against them. Let's not pretend that Russia plans to use nukes offensively...

Nobody is considering using nukes against Russia, and you know that, which is why you’re clearly trying to justify Russia using nukes. You think they might.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nobody is considering using nukes against Russia, and you know that, which is why you’re clearly trying to justify Russia using nukes. You think they might.

The US/NATO are most definitely wanting to escalate to a nuclear conflict with Russia... or at the very least intimidate them with nukes in Poland, Romania and Ukraine... and Georgia and The Baltics.

These people really are kicking themselves because Putin stepped in after Yeltsin and ruined their plans of turning Russia of the 1990s into the same whore that they turned Ukraine into over the last decade.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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[tvolsfan]

The US/NATO are most definitely wanting to escalate to a nuclear conflict with Russia..

Laughable.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Laughable.

Nothing about escalating a nuclear war is laughable. If they want to prove me wrong, then they would stop the weapons dumping and immediately be moving to get Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table.

 

[tvolsfan]

Nothing about escalating a nuclear war is laughable. If they want to prove me wrong, then they would stop the weapons dumping and immediately be moving to get Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table.

If Russia wants to negotiate they can go back to their own country. Until then, we will help Ukraine defend themselves from the fascist invader.

 

[Velo Vol]

Nothing about escalating a nuclear war is laughable.

It's laughable that you claim Americans "want" a nuclear war.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If Russia wants to negotiate they can go back to their own country. Until then, we will help Ukraine defend themselves from the fascist invader.

The people of Donbas and the other regions are Russian or mostly Russian. They will take the land with them back to Russia where it belongs. That is historically Novorossiya.

 

[tvolsfan]

That is currently Notrossiya.

Only bit that matters

 

[Velo Vol]

Impressive foursome.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The people of Donbas and the other regions are Russian or mostly Russian. They will take the land with them back to Russia where it belongs. That is historically Novorossiya.

Well that’s what Pootin and you absolutely assert that’s certain. Too bad for you literally everyone else disagrees with that stance.

So far Pootin has been completely unable to secure his stolen lands and by their own admission have no damn idea where the borders are. They are clowns just as their propagandist stooges here (that’s you…) are clowns.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Only bit that matters

So in other words, you are a clown rather than being intellectually honest.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So in other words, you are a clown rather than being intellectually honest.