War in Ukraine

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Here is a map of Ukraine. In red are the parts that legally voted to be part of Russia.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Show us a map of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania then. Shouldn't be a problem since some of you went back 800 plus years work your Kievan Rus claims.

Also show us a map of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic.

I love pointing out the constant freedom hating, hypocrisy of you trolls.
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Should I pull up a 1535 map of the Cherokee nation in East Tennessee while I'm at it?

We know there is cultural cross-pollination in the Donbas region. But the international boundary was established in 1991 and it has not been democratically changed since then.
 
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DonjoVol said:
So what would you have preferred? They revolted against the Soviets back then? We know how that would have likely turned out for them.

Notice how you didn't dispute my Grand Duchy of Lithuania reference. Historically that region has been separate from most of Ukraine. Just like Crimea has. Those are facts.

Then the illegal, western backed coup occurred in 2014 which in turn caused Donetsk and Luhansk to declare their independence. As you can see things change throughout history. Not sure why you "freedom lovers" are against them declaring their independence or determining their own fate. Honestly, you guys are being as totalitarian as you claim Putin is.
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If this was Lithuania being invaded by Russia you would have an argument. There was no point in refuting it, because that argument was irrelevant.

All that matter is what the borders were before Russia pulled it's funny business. Because that is the subject at hand. Everything else is just deflection.

Going back to your two month nation, they were already Soviets, and besides voting to join the Soviet Union their government didnt do anything more than a Michael Scott bankruptcy. Yes they should have fought back. Like the Ukrainians did. Like pretty much any modern nation that had been part of the Russian Empire and currently exists on a map during the Revolution.

What is supposed to be the point in bringing them up even? Besides existing for two months they didnt do anything. Didnt even try to do anything. Literally the only thing they did was give away their sovereignty. They didnt even resist joining Ukraine, several oblasts did.

Heck the Antifa CHOP "autonomous zone" lasted longer and resisted more than these guys did. And there is no way in hades anyone considers them legit.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Should I pull up a 1535 map of the Cherokee nation in East Tennessee while I'm at it?

We know there is cultural cross-pollination in the Donbas region. But the international boundary was established in 1991 and it has not been democratically changed since then.
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DoNT yu bElIeVE N FrEeeDoM?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Opel Tometi was born in Phoenix Az you unintelligent clown. 🤡
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I was wrong and you're right. She was born in Phoenix. Her parents, however, were born in Nigeria. So the daughter of two immigrants from Nigeria co-founded BLM. I haven't seen BLM mobs burning down Russian neighborhoods. I haven't seen BLM rioters looting in Russian cities. In the USA, the descendants of black slaves and the daughter of Nigerian immigrants agree that the USA is systemically racist. We can only speculate about how they feel about Russia, but we know they say the USA is systemically racist.

Clearly, the USA is dysfunctional regarding race relations. Even aside from the riots and looting, the FBI says black Americans, 13% of the US population, commit more murders than everyone else combined. The median net worth of black residents in Boston is $8. White Americans gloat and say it's a success story.

That was no typo: The median net worth of black Bostonians really is $8 - The Boston Globe

When the USA, the self-annointed Holiest of Holies and the most self-righteous country in the world, is incapable of successfully integrating its black population into its society, how can you expect "the most evil country to ever exist" to attempt it? Why would the Russians, the Japanese, the Koreans, and others even try when the Americans and the British have failed so miserably despite our self-righteous gloating?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
FSB released another staged video recently of them getting a Ukranian "Terrorist"..

The story they try to tell is that he was carrying a shaped charge and was going to blow something up. The best part of their staged video is the guy who discovers the bomb..after kicking it, shaking it, and generally manhandling it. The sh!t that works in Russia only works in third world countries. Their propaganda is blatantly obvious to anyone with an IQ above 80.
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Such propaganda works in the USA too. Look at how many Americans won Darwin Awards in Iraq and Vietnam because of it.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
I was wrong and you're right. She was born in Phoenix. Her parents, however, were born in Nigeria. So the daughter of two immigrants from Nigeria co-founded BLM. I haven't seen BLM mobs burning down Russian neighborhoods. I haven't seen BLM rioters looting in Russian cities. In the USA, the descendants of black slaves and the daughter of Nigerian immigrants agree that the USA is systemically racist. We can only speculate about how they feel about Russia, but we know they say the USA is systemically racist.

Clearly, the USA is dysfunctional regarding race relations. Even aside from the riots and looting, the FBI says black Americans, 13% of the US population, commit more murders than everyone else combined. The median net worth of black residents in Boston is $8. White Americans gloat and say it's a success story.

That was no typo: The median net worth of black Bostonians really is $8 - The Boston Globe

When the USA, the self-annointed Holiest of Holies and the most self-righteous country in the world, is incapable of successfully integrating its black population into its society, how can you expect "the most evil country to ever exist" to attempt it? Why would the Russians, the Japanese, the Koreans, and others even try when the Americans and the British have failed so miserably despite our self-righteous gloating?
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I just stopped reading after “I was wrong and you were right” as I’m assuming the rest was just more western bashing. I’ll leave it to others to confirm that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They tried that for 8 years but were being attacked.
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The irony is how Americans have supported separatist Kurds, except when they were allied with Iran in the Iraq-Iran War back when the USA helped Iraq invade a sovereign country and provided Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons to gas the Iranians and their Iraqi Kurdish allies.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
The irony is how Americans have supported separatist Kurds, except when they were allied with Iran in the Iraq-Iran War back when the USA helped Iraq invade a sovereign country and provided Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons to gas the Iranians and their Iraqi Kurdish allies.
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Funny, that doesn’t really have anything to do with Ukraine.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Funny, that doesn’t really have anything to do with Ukraine.
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It proves that American outrage about invasions of sovereign countries and the murder of civilians is fake, especially since the USA has done both many times and still does even these days with the full support of the "outraged" Ukraine flag emoji crowd.
 
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