War in Ukraine

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NorthDallas40 said:
Which battles did the Taliban win Brucey? 🤡
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The Taliban didn't fight to win the battles. They fought to win the war. Just like in boxing, if you go as long as you can, get frustrated and say "no más," and climb out of the ring, you're the loser. We said no más and bailed out.

The same thing happened in Vietnam. I once watched a documentary where the late senator Max Cleland of Georgia talked about being present during the interrogation of an NVA colonel during the Vietnam War. American interrogators asked the colonel, "Who's winning the war?" The colonel answered, "You are." The next question was, "How long will it be before the war ends in US victory?" The colonel said, "The war isn't going to end in a US victory." An interrogator said, "Now wait. You just told us that we're winning the war!" The colonel said, "Yes, but you're going home!" At the end of telling this account, Cleland added that time proved the colonel correct.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Lol. What specific major battles was the U.S. defeated in? Taliban KIA: over 50,000. U.S KIA: A little over 2,400. Yeah looks like the really mopped the floor with the Americans that held a 20:1 kill ratio!
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The thing is, we couldn't stomach KIA #2401. The Taliban could stomach KIA #50001. We said no más and bailed out of the ring, whereas the Taliban could've easily gone 20 more years.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
The Taliban didn't fight to win the battles. They fought to win the war. Just like in boxing, if you go as long as you can, get frustrated and say "no más," and climb out of the ring, you're the loser. We said no más and bailed out.

The same thing happened in Vietnam. I once watched a documentary where the late senator Max Cleland of Georgia talked about being present during the interrogation of an NVA colonel during the Vietnam War. American interrogators asked the colonel, "Who's winning the war?" The colonel answered, "You are." The next question was, "How long will it be before the war ends in US victory?" The colonel said, "The war isn't going to end in a US victory." An interrogator said, "Now wait. You just told us that we're winning the war!" The colonel said, "Yes, but you're going home!" At the end of telling this account, Cleland added that time proved the colonel correct.
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A simple “none” would have sufficed instead of a long winded useless word salad that doesn’t answer the question Brucey 🤡
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
The thing is, we couldn't stomach KIA #2401. The Taliban could stomach KIA #50001. We said no más and bailed out of the ring, whereas the Taliban could've easily gone 20 more years.
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But that wasn’t your assertion Brucey. Your claim was the Taliban defeated the US Military. By your own admission it never happened. 🤡

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hog88 said:
The Taliban defeated the American people, just like the Viet Cong did.
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Bingo. And we really need to stop putting our military in the field while ham stringing them from dominating the landscape.

Put them in, destroy every living thing that raises a hand in resistance and defiance, then immediately take them out. That is their only job they are not police officers.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Bingo. And we really need to stop putting our military in the field while ham stringing them from dominating the landscape.

Put them in, destroy every living thing that raises a hand in resistance and defiance, then immediately take them out. That is their only job they are not police officers.
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Exactly. But we’d have to shotcan 90% or more of the current officer corp to do that.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
The Taliban won and the US military lost. The Taliban certainly didn't have better weapons. The Taliban definitely didn't have a bigger budget. But the Taliban definitely won the war and the United States military definitely lost.

You're probably one of the fans that says Derek Dooley was a better coach than Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, and our players were better too, but we lost our games for reasons unexplained, or because of the refs, or most likely the weather. You're probably going to continue to pout and say, "Well you just hate the Vols, and you're a Sabanista and you're on the Florida payroll too for saying Saban and Meyer were more competent than Derek Dooley!"

At least football is just a game. But Americans piss away so much of the USA's financial and human resources because we have too much pride to admit when we don't have what it takes. You can't even admit that the United States military lost to a bunch of "afghani cave dwellers" when the US military had everything that money could buy, but the enemy soldiers had everything money can't buy and that proved to be a lot more important in the end. They won, we lost, and most of the world realizes it. You're just going to be the last one to figure it out, assuming you ever figure it out.
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I had someone argue with me a month or two ago when I said that the US fought the Taliban to a stalemate. Now you are taking it a step further and saying we outright lost.
 
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norrislakevol said:
They sure scored a lot of battlefield victories against us didn't they?

The U.S. military crushed the Taliban and it wasn't even close. The defeated Taliban ran away while we spent trillions building schools and forming a government. Stupid 1940's style American thinking.

I have news for you though; if we had a small force over there still then the Taliban wouldn't have been able to just walk back into where ever they wanted to with out opposition. We'd still be there after close to a generation and still have our "victory". They had no way to defeat the U.S. military, so they had no choice but to sit, sulk, and wait for us to get tired of hanging out in their God forsaken country after we had beaten them.
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You all seem to be caught up on this idea of soldiers running or retreating. Yet it still doesn't register in your neanderthal minds that a retreating soldier is still a living soldier.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You all seem to be caught up on this idea of soldiers running or retreating. Yet it still doesn't register in your neanderthal minds that a retreating soldier is still a living soldier.
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And as your homies are finding out with their fresh new troops a surrendering soldier is a living soldier with a much better chance of staying that way. Well… as long as they’re not surrendering to your Russian orcs 😂

Oh and a retreating soldier leaving their equipment behind is also giving up territory and the means to retake it down the road Moe
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
I agree the US government lost the war, but the military is government workers. I also agree about Eisenhower's farewell address and also recommend Smedley Butler's 1935 book War is a Racket.
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Or George Washington's farewell address regarding foreign entanglements... or JQA about looking for monsters to destroy overseas.
 
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volgr said:
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This is one of the most baffling phenomena I have seen since 2020. The only thing that can explain it is that these people's visceral hate for Russians is leading them to believe the very entities (or not believe, but co-sign) they have known to be untrustworthy in the past.
 
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davethevol said:
That’s a great analogy. Many of us forget that the Ukraine is an incredibly corrupt country and probably not a good actor on the world stage, but they are fighting Russia so all is forgiven. I remember that they were suspected of being the country that supplied North Korea with its updated missile technology, not Russia or China. I also think they’ve shown how quickly they turn ungrateful with the insults thrown at Musk over Skylink. The West has to handle this carefully.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. - Sun Tsu - Michael Scott
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is one of the most baffling phenomena I have seen since 2020. The only thing that can explain it is that these people's visceral hate for Russians is leading them to believe the very entities (or not believe, but co-sign) they have known to be untrustworthy in the past.
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What are we being lied to about?

Russia is invading a sovereign country without provocation, destabilizing and threatening western European allies, holding energy and food hostage and threatening nukes if they don't get their way.

Which of these things isn't true?
 
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norrislakevol said:
They sure scored a lot of battlefield victories against us didn't they?

The U.S. military crushed the Taliban and it wasn't even close. The defeated Taliban ran away while we spent trillions building schools and forming a government. Stupid 1940's style American thinking.
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Saigon, Beirut and Kabul... we have no room at all to be boasting about Taliban or Russian retreats.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I bet we had similar kill ratios in Vietnam, Korea and Iraq.
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Your opinion means nothing to rational people at this point, you should know that. Actually, is there a place that's less than nothing?

You've ruined whatever reputation you may have once had as being rational or even minimally being able to formulate cogent thoughts.

If in the future I ever find myself agreeing with one of your posts, I'll know to stop and reassess my position as it's almost certainly wrong.
 
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Septic said:
What are we being lied to about?

Russia is invading a sovereign country without provocation, destabilizing and threatening western European allies, holding energy and food hostage and threatening nukes if they don't get their way.

Which of these things isn't true?
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The without provocation part is false. Shelling Donbas and not implementing Minsk ceasefire agreements over 8 years, while the West spends that time arming and training a pseudo-NATO army right on their border.
The threatening European allies is false because for over 30 years, they have wanted a buffer between NATO and themselves. NATO moved east towards them, not Russia moving west.
The holding energy and food hostage is a bold-faced lie. The West sanctioned themselves and are now engaged in terrorist acts that blew up Germany's pipeline gas sources.
And the threatening nukes is a lie because Putin's comments were in response to comments made by clowns like Biden, Blinken, Liz Truss and 3elensky.

The only thing you may have correct is the destabilizing western Europe part. Because as you can see right now, it isn't Russia that is collapsing from the inside out economically, culturally or morally right now... it is Western Europe and the US.
 
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