War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Lol. What specific major battles was the U.S. defeated in? Taliban KIA: over 50,000. U.S KIA: A little over 2,400. Yeah looks like the really mopped the floor with the Americans that held a 20:1 kill ratio!

While you are boasting about winning battles and kill ratios, the entire purpose of war is to achieve some political objective.

At the end of the day, the purpose of going into Afghanistan was partly to remove the Taliban from power in 2001. In 2021, the Taliban was back in power.

That is a loss no matter how you want to spin it or slice it.

 

[Septic]

The without provocation part is false. Shelling Donbas and not implementing Minsk ceasefire agreements over 8 years, while the West spends that time arming and training a pseudo-NATO army right on their border.
The threatening European allies is false because for over 30 years, they have wanted a buffer between NATO and themselves. NATO moved east towards them, not Russia moving west.
The holding energy and food hostage is a bold-faced lie. The West sanctioned themselves and are now engaged in terrorist acts that blew up Germany's pipeline gas sources.
And the threatening nukes is a lie because Putin's comments were in response to comments made by clowns like Biden, Blinken, Liz Truss and 3elensky.

The only thing you may have correct is the destabilizing western Europe part. Because as you can see right now, it isn't Russia that is collapsing from the inside out economically, culturally or morally right now... it is Western Europe and the US.

They attacked a nation that was not preparing to or threatening to attack them. And did it under the guise of fighting Nazism.

Full stop.

Your ginned up excuses are just that, changing with the wind - desperately trying to get some excuse to stick to help you internally rationalize it.

It was a land grab, nothing more and nothing less. Pootin is a thug - he got away with it in Crimea and thought he could do it again and blew up in his face.

Your dumbass bullet point excuses aren't just laughable, they're SO incredibly bad that they've undermined your credibility on this entire forum as being able to offer anything approaching objective or reasoned thought.

Dude, I'm embarrassed for you, watching you drown in your own bullsh*t day after day and not even having the self awareness to realize it is painful to watch (and I normally revel in watching people implode.)

 

[NorthDallas40]

While you are boasting about winning battles and kill ratios, the entire purpose of war is to achieve some political objective.

At the end of the day, the purpose of going into Afghanistan was partly to remove the Taliban from power in 2001. In 2021, the Taliban was back in power.

That is a loss no matter how you want to spin it or slice it.

We’ll add you to the list of reading comprehension impaired Moe. The claim was made that the Taliban had defeated the US military. No proof has ever been provided to support that claim and you supplied none here either. Absolutely no one is claiming the political objectives were achieved.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They attacked a nation that was not preparing to or threatening to attack them. And did it under the guise of fighting Nazism.

Full stop.

NATO was arming the country and the Obama State department overthrew a democratically elected president. From their perspective, these are provocative acts.

Your ginned up excuses are just that, changing with the wind - desperately trying to get some excuse to stick to help you internally rationalize it.

It was a land grab, nothing more and nothing less.

If it was strictly about a land grab, then they would have accepted the Luhansk and Donetsk referenda in 2014 to rejoin Russia and Russia would have taken Kazakhstan when it was ripe for the pickings back in January this year.

 

[NorthDallas40]

NATO was arming the country and the Obama State department overthrew a democratically elected president. From their perspective, these are provocative acts
.

You keep making this patently false claim Moe. Yanukovych was removed by the Ukrainian parliament via their constitutional powers. Womp womp.

 

[hog88]

So the American people lost the Vietnam War?

Tell me again what interest the American people had in SE Asia starting in the mid 1950s?

Yes. The American people allowed LBJ to be installed and elected Nixon. They allowed JFK/LBJ and McNamara to run the war the way it was run. We have the vote and the guns so we allow our government to do what it does.

 

[hog88]

What are we being lied to about?

Russia is invading a sovereign country without provocation, destabilizing and threatening western European allies, holding energy and food hostage and threatening nukes if they don't get their way.

Which of these things isn't true?

The lie is that Putin, Biden&co, Zelenski and a few other European leaders are profiting off the war.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Another blond transgender on Twitter. How many of these transdudes do you guys follow throughout Europe and on Twitter?

She's a Russian woman so I understand the mistake that she might be transgender. I assume you went through her social media (congrats youve done more than I have) and heard that deeper than yours Slavic female voice and immediately thought tranny? Why do I get the feeling your a "bag of sand" guy?

 

[FLVOL_79]

The Taliban defeated the American people, just like the Viet Cong did.

They definitely defeated Brucey.

 

[Velo Vol]

Yes. The American people allowed LBJ to be installed and elected Nixon. They allowed JFK/LBJ and McNamara to run the war the way it was run. We have the vote and the guns so we allow our government to do what it does.

Or, war was being fought in pursuit of something that the military can't achieve (nation building).

 

[Velo Vol]

Better late than never.

 

[AM64]

Seems your crystal ball is broken, Comrade. Just another pathetic rant from our resident Putin pumper.

In the meantime policymakers here are trying to force NG out of the consumer market. When homeowners have only one source of energy, they are plump turkeys for the plucking. We should be getting NG out of electric power production and keeping it for the consumers, so that there is energy competition and hope of restraining energy costs.

 

[hog88]

Or, war was being fought in pursuit of something that the military can't achieve (nation building).

Vietnam was fought for profit and power. Vietnam started because of our stupid loyalty to European profit.

 

[USF grad in TN]

In the meantime policymakers here are trying to force NG out of the consumer market. When homeowners have only one source of energy, they are plump turkeys for the plucking. We should be getting NG out of electric power production and keeping it for the consumers, so that there is energy competition and hope of restraining energy costs.

I think of NG as useful for top end peak loads, with other options like coal or nuclear for base loads.
Can someone with more current knowledge provide more info to the rest of us?
I forgot who the experts are on this topic.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think of NG as useful for top end peak loads, with other options like coal or nuclear for base loads.
Can someone with more current knowledge provide more info to the rest of us?
I forgot who the experts are on this topic.

Natural gas is our primary generation source for even baseload power so no that’s likely not going to change in the near term.

 

[AM64]

I think of NG as useful for top end peak loads, with other options like coal or nuclear for base loads.
Can someone with more current knowledge provide more info to the rest of us?
I forgot who the experts are on this topic.

I can't argue the point about NG for peaking; it's a good choice. I just prefer that we give the consumer alternatives as a means to keep energy rates in check. Competition is the one thing that keeps capitalism from becoming destructive. Years ago when NG prices were going nuts and I needed a new heating system, I chose a heat pump over another NG unit.

What would have been nice was the heat pump with backup NG generator for the fans, blower, and compressor, and aux heat for when the power goes off. NG has it all over electric power for reliability when storms roll in.

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[Velo Vol]

Haven't they been doing this for the last 70 years?

 

[FLVOL_79]

You keep making this patently false claim Moe. Yanukovych was removed by the Ukrainian parliament via their constitutional powers. Womp womp.

He keeps bringing this up because the President that the parliament legally removed was in bed with Russia, just like Ras. The hopes from the country were he would focus on European ties but instead grabbed ankles for Putin (who had to stand on a step stool). This argument is one of the biggest red flags for Russian controlled online propaganda.

 

[Velo Vol]

Vietnam was fought for profit and power. Vietnam started because of our stupid loyalty to European profit.

That wasn't in the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

 

[AM64]

Natural gas is our primary generation source for even baseload power so no that’s likely not going to change in the near term.

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It wasn't always that way until a couple of cowboys and a jet engine figured out how to make money on electricity in TX. That's one area where I can get on board with hog; you TX guys have a really screwed up perspective on how to provide power. The one place where I go against the capitalist grain is when it comes to utilities, and I see electric power generation as something best left to a real utility ... regulation and all. Energy cost is too important to an economy to screw around with. Nuclear was in trouble by the 1980s as far as building additional plants, but the real nail in the coffin came later by way of quick and, relatively speaking, cheap NG plants.

 

[NorthDallas40]

He keeps bringing this up because the President that the parliament legally removed was in bed with Russia, just like Ras. The hopes from the country were he would focus on European ties but instead grabbed ankles for Putin (who had to stand on a step stool). This argument is one of the biggest red flags for Russian controlled online propaganda.

Yep. Yanukovych is the sole person responsible for his predicament. His unilateral decision to pivot to Putin at the last minute was contrary to his campaign promises as well as the policy decisions Ukraine had been working towards up to the point of his pivot. But he’ll be ok as long as Putin is in power as he’s living the reward life of an obedient lap dog cast out of their position. I wonder if he has a spare bedroom for Lukashenko

 

[NorthDallas40]

It wasn't always that way until a couple of cowboys and a jet engine figured out how to make money on electricity in TX. That's one area where I can get on board with hog; you TX guys have a really screwed up perspective on how to provide power. The one place where I go against the capitalist grain is when it comes to utilities, and I see electric power generation as something best left to a real utility ... regulation and all. Energy cost is too important to an economy to screw around with. Nuclear was in trouble by the 1980s as far as building additional plants, but the real nail in the coffin came later by way of quick and, relatively speaking, cheap NG plants.

Dude because of the Barnett shale alone baseload power in TX is gonna be NG for at least the remainder of my lifetime. We would be crazy not to. It’s so funny this stuff used to be flared off as a nuisance byproduct and now it’s a crisis that we’re short of it

 

[AM64]

Dude because of the Barnett shale alone baseload power in TX is gonna be NG for at least the remainder of my lifetime. We would be crazy not to. It’s so funny this stuff used to be flared off as a nuisance byproduct and now it’s a crisis that we’re short of it

Hey, let's just agree TX can be a weird place. BTW my mother was born in Pampa and lived in TX for most of her childhood, so I'm not really an anti-TX zealot. I've got relatives there that I've never met, but we're talking like second cousins at best. I do get the concept of using what you've got - especially when it's relatively cheap and some of it was going to waste anyway. I just don't like the thought that we aren't realistically addressing our electric power generation rationally elsewhere across the country. It makes sense in several places to use hydro power, but that's generally not going to work in most of TX and many other states.