War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Americans boasting about "winning battles" when the Taliban definitely won the war are like Bama fans boasting about winning the total yardage battle, the time of possession battle, and the turnover margin battle yesterday when Tennessee definitely won the game. People who talk like that are just losers trying to cope due to their insecurities.

Actually it was YOU boasting about winning battles Brucey. You claimed the Taliban defeated the US military. Damn you really aren’t very intelligent are you.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This misadventure may be the undoing of the entire Soviet-esque Russian regime. As I've said before, a Russia with an elected form of government, it's resources and potential, and no interest in expansionist thinking would be an economic superpower in 5 years, tops.

In 5 years, at the rate things are going right now, Europe will be in such dire straits, that you'll see refugees from Europe flowing into MENA. Meanwhile, Russia is cutting trade deals left and right with countries in Asia and the global south, while we look for more people to wage war against.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No one here has ever argued otherwise. But the fall of Saigon has nothing to do with current Russian aggression in Ukraine.

I mentioned Saigon , Beirut and Kabul to show you what our retreats look like.

 

[tvolsfan]

I mentioned Saigon , Beirut and Kabul to make myself feel better about Russia’s humiliation.

Fixed

 

[JuicyBrucey]

Actually it was YOU boasting about winning battles Brucey. You claimed the Taliban defeated the US military. Damn you really are very unintelligent aren’t you.

The US military threw in the towel and went home, leaving over $80 billion worth of military equipment behind and leaving the Taliban in control of Afghanistan. That's not what winning looks like unless you're using Butch Jones type of metrics of what winning is. The USA retreated and went home. In other words, the USA lost the war.

You're starting to sound like the pro-Russia shill now. I contend the Russians lost in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Russians and other Soviets killed vastly more enemy soldiers than they lost in Afghanistan. Using your metrics, you're saying the Russians won their war in Afghanistan since they dished out so many more deaths than they suffered. I disagree and contend that the Russians lost. After all, regardless of how many Islamic soldiers the Red Army killed, they quit and they went home. In other words, the Russians lost. Obviously, you disagree.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The US military threw in the towel and went home, leaving over $80 billion worth of military equipment behind and leaving the Taliban in control of Afghanistan. That's not what winning looks like unless you're just counting medals, five star hearts, and champions of ife. The USA retreated and went home. In other words, the USA lost the war.

You're starting to sound like the pro-Russia shill now. I contend the Russians lost in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Russians and other Soviets killed vastly more enemy soldiers than they lost in Afghanistan. Using your metrics, you're saying the Russians won their war in Afghanistan since they dished out so many more deaths than they suffered. I disagree and contend that the Russians lost. After all, regardless of how many Islamic soldiers the Red Army killed, they quit and they went home. In other words, the Russians lost. Obviously, you disagree.

LMAO you continue to conflate the civilian leadership and the military to push your dumbass anti US/pro Russian diatribes and I’m the one starting to sound like a pro Russian shill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[MG1968]

I mentioned Saigon , Beirut and Kabul to show you what our retreats look like.

Again, no one here has argued that the US is perfect. But it’s telling that you bring that up but fail to mention Russia’s humiliation in Afghanistan. You can argue all you want about how the Soviet Union isn’t Russia, but their military is still built the same. Top heavy with flag and company-grade officers, over populated with enlisted and poorly trained conscripts, and bereft of a competent, professional corps of NCOs.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

LMAO you continue to conflate the civilian leadership and the military to push your dumbass anti US/pro Russian diatribes and I’m the one starting to sound like a pro Russian shill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You didn't read a word he said. If you are claiming that the US won in Afghanistan, then so did the Soviets in the 1980s.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You didn't read a word he said. If you are claiming that the US won in Afghanistan, then so did the Soviets in the 1980s.

I’ll add you to the dumbass list then. Whoops you’re already on it Moe.

You’re both “winning” debates only you two are having.

 

[Hunerwadel]

This is exactly the kind of thing that defines a 3rd world country.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Again, no one here has argued that the US is perfect.

I haven't stated anyone in here has said that the US is perfect. I'm simply saying that we are hypocrites. We condemn Russia for doing the same thing that we would do and have done in the past. We create these double standards for ourselves to justify our actions. But when I call out these double standards with very recent examples, you all jump on the "whataboutism" defense.

But it’s telling that you bring that up but fail to mention Russia’s humiliation in Afghanistan. You can argue all you want about how the Soviet Union isn’t Russia, but their military is still built the same. Top heavy with flag and company-grade officers, over populated with enlisted and poorly trained conscripts, and bereft of a competent, professional corps of NCOs.

So here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Russia was humiliated in Afghanistan, but the US dominated in Afghanistan. Yet the end result of both campaigns was exactly the same.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

LMAO you continue to conflate the civilian leadership and the military to push your dumbass anti US/pro Russian diatribes and I’m the one starting to sound like a pro Russian shill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

These Americans died covering the US military's retreat out of Afghanistan, as the Taliban consolidated its control and asserted its authority in Kabul. The guy in the red beret was from Corryton, right outside of Knoxville. He should be celebrating the big win over Bama, but he was killed by the Taliban at the conclusion of our war in Afghanistan. Whereas I see this as a failure of not just our military but also our society as a whole, you say it's a wonderful success story and the final military achievement, almost certainly as a coping mechanism.

 

[NorthDallas40]

These Americans died covering the US military's retreat out of Afghanistan, as the Taliban consolidated its control and asserted its authority in Kabul. The guy in the red beret was from Corryton, right outside of Knoxville. He should be celebrating the big win over Bama, but he was killed by the Taliban at the conclusion of our war in Afghanistan. Whereas I see this as a failure of not just our military but also our society as a whole, you say it's a wonderful success story and the final military achievement, almost certainly as a coping mechanism.

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Well they were actually put back into Afghanistan due to the civilian leadership’s failure to orchestrate an orderly withdrawal. You’re still conflating the military with civilian leadership. Here maybe this will help your ignorant ass. I doubt it though.

Definition of CONFLATE

As another reminder YOU first stupidly interchanged/combined the US military performance in the field with civilian leadership and policy decisions and were immediately pounced on for that stupidity by multiple people. And you’re still doing it

 

[MG1968]

I haven't stated anyone in here has said that the US is perfect. I'm simply saying that we are hypocrites. We condemn Russia for doing the same thing that we would do and have done in the past. We create these double standards for ourselves to justify our actions. But when I call out these double standards with very recent examples, you all jump on the "whataboutism" defense.


So here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Russia was humiliated in Afghanistan, but the US dominated in Afghanistan. Yet the end result of both campaigns was exactly the same.

So, I’m a hypocrite for acknowledging the US has done bad things in the past but I refuse to use that acknowledgment to excuse Russia’s bad behavior now?

You obviously have no ****ing clue what hypocrisy is.

 

[NorthDallas40]

These Americans died covering the US military's retreat out of Afghanistan, as the Taliban consolidated its control and asserted its authority in Kabul. The guy in the red beret was from Corryton, right outside of Knoxville. He should be celebrating the big win over Bama, but he was killed by the Taliban at the conclusion of our war in Afghanistan. Whereas I see this as a failure of not just our military but also our society as a whole, you say it's a wonderful success story and the final military achievement, almost certainly as a coping mechanism.

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Oh and your fake Pearl clutching on military deaths based on your post history about the military in this thread alone shows you’re a straight up hypocrite Brucey

 

[volgr]

"We care about protecting poor Ukraine from the evil Russian aggressors" was a great sells job. Congrats to the MIC.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So, I’m a hypocrite for acknowledging the US has done bad things in the past but I refuse to use that acknowledgment to excuse Russia’s bad behavior now?

You obviously have no ****ing clue what hypocrisy is.

Yes, you are a hypocrite when it comes to Ukraine.
And to be clear, I have admitted before that in certain situations, I can be hypocritical, as well. Life can be very complicated and sometimes exceptions do need to be made i certain instances. But the exceptions or double standards that are being used with regards to Ukraine (or I should say Kyiv regime) are ludicrous.

But the main point that some of you Kyiv regime supporters have is that you dismiss Russia's security concerns over the past 30 years since the break up of the USSR and then you all trivialize the Obama State Department coup in Ukraine and the subsequent attacks on the people in Donbas. We saw right here in America after the 2020 elections how pizzed a segment of the country was about a stolen election. Now put your feet in the shoes of eastern Ukrainians in 2014. The leader you helped to elect is overthrown by a foreign power and in turn places people in power that are attacking you. And for 8 years, they begged for Russia to step in and end the attacks. But the policy of Russia during that time was to push for diplomacy and the implementation of the Minsk ceasefire agreements.

Not only that, but none of you can answer the question of why are we inserting ourselves in a regional conflict in eastern Europe where land has been swapped back and forth multiple times just since WWI. This has nothing to do the average Joe on Main Street USA. WTF does it concern me or you if Kramatorsk or Bakhmut belongs to Russia or Ukraine? I had never heard of these places before February, nor cared about them. This is obviously not a war being funded because it affects our sovereignty or freedoms here at home.

 

[AM64]

Russians killing each other now

Maybe you shouldn't give guns to conscripts who don't want to be there?

 

[AM64]

The American people killed JFK, also?

Well, supposedly the guy who killed JFK lived and studied in Russia and Cuba - hardly a red blooded American.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well, supposedly the guy who killed JFK lived and studied in Russia and Cuba - hardly a red blooded American.

???

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well, supposedly the guy who killed JFK lived and studied in Russia and Cuba - hardly a red blooded American.

In Russia?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Something up in Kherson. Maybe another Ukraine counter offensive resulting in more Russians attacking in reverse.

 

[AM64]

Surgical precision?

And you blather on about how critics of Putin are blinded by propaganda.

Russians tend to prefer blunt instruments to achieve "surgical precision". Why use a scalpel when you can use a saw, or a saw when you can just use a big hammer.

 

[evillawyer]

Feel good story of the day contender very early! Conscripts Vs Contracts. Kinda like Crips Vs Bloods.

Whoever wins, we all win.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You can argue all you want about how the Soviet Union isn’t Russia, but their military is still built the same. Top heavy with flag and company-grade officers, over populated with enlisted and poorly trained conscripts, and bereft of a competent, professional corps of NCOs.

OK, so what? They may have the same military, but the Soviet Union politically and philosophically are different than the Russian federation of today. They are not communist, godless wokesters today. On the other hand, I'm not sure the US military today can say the same.