War in Ukraine

[happy-go_vol]

In reading about how drones and accurate artillery fire have changed warfare - and a damn good thing that we are figuring that out where others are fighting and not on a battlefield of our own, I came to the conclusion it's simply still a spin on the need for controlling air space and air superiority. That's something we learned probably in WW1; maybe even with observation balloons in the Civil War. Looks like the next development considering the advent of drones above the battlefield is a reasonably cheap super shotgun. Not AAA with a shell that bursts at a set altitude, but an honest anti-drone gun that fires shells with a spread like a shotgun - probably with a machine gun type firing mechanism. It's either that or some sort of electronic jamming that defeats control of and data transmission from drones - or a wide beam laser to blind them.

Of course, one thing we don't know here is how effective surveillance aircraft patrolling near the battlefield are - and whether the accurate fire actually relies on visible drones, from stand off orbiting surveillance aircraft, or from very high altitude drones like the Global Hawk

So make a 2 or 4 gage shot gun with turkey shot

 

[volgr]

Pure ignorant drivel.

Russia is attempting to take Ukraine's land.

Name the last time in modern history the US did that to a sovereign country.

That's what I thought.

Russia isnt taking anything. A referendum was held, areas voted to join Russia and it should be respected, just as the US and UN respected Kosovo's.

Like I said, irrefutable. The US made these rules, and Russia is following them.

 

[Velo Vol]

I am correct you can't even articulate one of Russia's rights justifying war.

He can't because there is none.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia isnt taking anything. A referendum was held, areas voted to join Russia and it should be respected, just as the US and UN respected Kosovo's.

Like I said, irrefutable. The US made these rules, and Russia is following them.

Can you point me to the findings of the Ukrainian delegation in the referendum vote Larry? Additionally according to the Ukrainian constitution it should be a nation wide vote so do you have those results handy? TIA!

And lookie there I just refuted your BS post again with factual legislative requirements called out in the Ukrainian constitution!

 

[volgr]

Can you point me to the findings of the Ukrainian delegation in the referendum vote Larry? Additionally according to the Ukrainian constitution it should be a nation wide vote so do you have those results handy? TIA!

And lookie there I just refuted your BS post again with factual legislative requirements called out in the Ukrainian constitution!

Can you point me to where Serbia agreed to let Kosovo become independent? Did it stop the UN/US/EU from recognizing Kosovo as independent?

Russia is just playing by the rules, but some of you evidently only think the rules apply to the West.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Is this the wrong thread for this?

US Backs Sending 'Multinational Rapid Action Force’ To Haiti | ZeroHedge

Why are we invading Haiti?

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Is this the wrong thread for this?

US Backs Sending 'Multinational Rapid Action Force’ To Haiti | ZeroHedge

Why are we invading Haiti?

because that's what zero hedge does.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Speaking from experience?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Can you point me to where Serbia agreed to let Kosovo become independent? Did it stop the UN/US/EU from recognizing Kosovo as independent?

Russia is just playing by the rules, but some of you evidently only think the rules apply to the West.

Can you stop deflecting from the wrongs of Russia using whataboutism and use bad behavior from other actors to attempt to justify Russia’s bad behavior Larry?

 

[volgr]

Can you stop deflecting from the wrongs of Russia using whataboutism and use bad behavior from other actors to attempt to justify Russia’s bad behavior Larry?

Whataboutism: term used when a troll is met with an irrefutable fact

 

[volgr]

Is this the wrong thread for this?

US Backs Sending 'Multinational Rapid Action Force’ To Haiti | ZeroHedge

Why are we invading Haiti?

Clinton Foundation must need to do some recruiting for some uhhh, what do they call it...child interns?

 

[volfanhill]

Can you point me to where Serbia agreed to let Kosovo become independent? Did it stop the UN/US/EU from recognizing Kosovo as independent?

Russia is just playing by the rules, but some of you evidently only think the rules apply to the West.

So you were/are all for what happened in Serbia regarding Kosovo? And US actions

 

[NorthDallas40]

Whataboutism: term used when a troll is met with an irrefutable fact

No it’s what you trio of mental midgets continually throw out to deflect from Pootin’s ass hattery Larry and has zero relevance on the discussion at hand

 

[volgr]

So you were/are all for what happened in Serbia regarding Kosovo? And US actions

Doesn't matter if you are or aren't for what happened, the precedent was set, it happened. The US can't now hold Russia to a different standard than the one itself uses to invade other Countries (broad self defense claims) and the one the West used in recognizing Kosovo as independent.

 

[volfanhill]

Doesn't matter if you are or aren't for what happened, the precedent was set, it happened. The US can't now hold Russia to a different standard than the one itself uses to invade other Countries (broad self defense claims) and the one the West used in recognizing Kosovo as independent.

Lol you are such a hypocrite. As much as Russia and we are!!!! Own it. And by we I mean the US. And that's defined by your description of events. I disagree. But using your own you are.

To summarize your position, which I disagree with your points, but it's ok if Russia does it but not the US. You are a fool

 

[AM64]

Someone did a thread on what's available in Ukraine right now.

Can't say that I ever heard of a punt gun, but that's the path I'd start with. It's been obvious from the start that the larger drones are sitting ducks against an enemy with a real air defense. These smaller ones are serious pests in need of pest control, and most existing air defense systems could probably cope but at a terrible price - especially if you flood the airspace with small inexpensive drones. You could just bankrupt the guys playing defense. If it was a concentrated point of attack, you might even look back to WW2 barrage balloons with netting strung between them.

My dad was a WW2 fighter pilot turned air controller during Korea - directing strikes and assisting returning aircraft. He took pictures of a damaged Marine Tigercat that made it back to Kimpo - he was on the radio with the pilot giving what help he could. The N Koreans strung cables between peaks; this plane hit one and suffered a lot of damage; but still limped back on one engine and dragging a long piece of cable with a turnbuckle attached. Drones might be more elusive but not as hardy.

 

[volgr]

Lol you are such a hypocrite. As much as Russia and we are!!!! Own it. And by we I mean the US. And that's defined by your description of events. I disagree. But using your own you are.

To summarize your position, which I disagree with your points, but it's ok if Russia does it but not the US. You are a fool

The hypocrites are people like yourself, as my irrefutable points show.

Here is why I'm not a hypocrite, I dont give a damn about Kosovo, not our problem just like I dont give a damn about Ukraine, also not our problem. I also dont give a damn about the whole State of Alabama because we're from Tennessee.

 

[volfanhill]

The hypocrites are people like yourself, as my irrefutable points show.

Here is why I'm not a hypocrite, I dont give a damn about Kosovo, not our problem just like I dont give a damn about Ukraine, also not our problem. I also dont give a damn about the whole State of Alabama because we're from Tennessee.

Cute ending. But your words betray you. You care a whole lot about Russia and Ukraine. Think about the number of posts you have in this thread. You are a liar. We know that. And now are lying to yourself. Get help. Aren't RAS crazy but close

 

[NorthDallas40]

Apparently “irrefutable point” has always meant whatever stooge **** gets thrown at the wall in an attempt to get it to stick. And the attempt is all that even matters, sticking is bonus

 

[volfanhill]

Apparently “irrefutable point” has always meant whatever stooge **** gets thrown at the wall in an attempt to get it to stick. And the attempt is all that even matters, sticking is bonus

I mean the dumbest position they have is that these areas of Ukraine voted to leave. I mean how stupid are they? Armed men controlling the polls. Either they are stupid or selectively choose to be morons

 

[KB5252]

Russia isnt taking anything. A referendum was held, areas voted to join Russia and it should be respected, just as the US and UN respected Kosovo's.

Like I said, irrefutable. The US made these rules, and Russia is following them.

A referendum at gunpoint should never be respected.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I mean the dumbest position they have is that these areas of Ukraine voted to leave. I mean how stupid are they? Armed men controlling the polls. Either they are stupid or selectively choose to be morons

Yep! Those are irrefutable points! Your comments on them I mean. Those are actually irrefutable points

 

[KB5252]

Is this the wrong thread for this?

US Backs Sending 'Multinational Rapid Action Force’ To Haiti | ZeroHedge

Why are we invading Haiti?

Haiti asked the international community for outside help for a situation they couldn't handle.

 

[volfanhill]

A referendum at gunpoint should never be respected.

Oh he's dumb enough to think it wasn't by gun point

 

[DonjoVol]

Haiti asked the international community for outside help for a situation they couldn't handle.

Perhaps you should read up on Ariel Henry and how he's basically installed himself as a dictator.