War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Some Colombians received training from the US military! Well it was obviously a Biden coup!

Haiti is the Ukraine of this hemsphere. So much corruption running through that country for outsiders to take advantage of.

I guess if he would have allowed the vaccines to come in to Haiti he would still be in power right now.

Also, how do a random group of Colombians get the means to pull off a stunt like this without some state sponsor?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

When countries are invaded and their existence is in question, they tend to frown upon treason.

He was doing that before February 24th.

 

[volgr]

When countries are invaded and their existence is in question, they tend to frown upon treason.

When Putin has to crack eggs in the larger goal of cleaning up Russia, he is a fascist dictator. When someone we like has to crack eggs for the larger goal of cleaning up their Country, they are excused.

Here, let me save you the trouble of a response.

 

[tvolsfan]

Haiti is the Ukraine of this hemsphere. So much corruption running through that country for outsiders to take advantage of.

I guess if he would have allowed the vaccines to come in to Haiti he would still be in power right now.

Also, how do a random group of Colombians get the means to pull off a stunt like this without some state sponsor?

“How could someone get assassinated without America being at fault?”

 

[tvolsfan]

When Putin has to crack eggs in the larger goal of cleaning up Russia, he is a fascist dictator. When someone we like has to crack eggs for the larger goal of cleaning up their Country, they are excused.

Here, let me save you the trouble of a response.

My response would have been something more like this:

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[KB5252]

Huh, just magically decided to risk life and limb to revolt and take up arms against their government, who wasn't labeled the most corrupt Gov't in Europe, no, no, no, who was the bastion of freedom and democracy, so why would anyone ever consider revolting against such a gov't.

It was so corrupt because......... Who were they tightly aligned with all those years until recently. They learned it somewhere.

It's like saying I wonder why there is such diverse Latin and indigenous heritage in the American southwest.

 

[volgr]

It was so corrupt because......... Who were they tightly aligned with all those years until recently. They learned it somewhere.

It's like saying I wonder why they're is such diverse Latin and indigenous heritage in the American southwest.

No one denies their Soviet roots and what a disaster their former Soviet gov't was, but you are straying off topic.

 

[LouderVol]

Not willing to read it?

It doesn't mention weather, but that too. According to the thread there isn't evidence Russia has sent anything but troops and trucks there. No heavy equipment.

I dont like Twitter threads. It always comes through choppy and navigating without a Twitter login can be messy at times.

 

[LouderVol]

Cuba wasnt my example. Nothing to crawfish.

You can do all the mental gymnastics or trolling you want, Russia is doing nothing more than following the precedent set by the US and UN for the last 30 years. That is irrefutable.

BTW the UN includes Russia and China, soooooo......

To your point, it is refutable. When did the US or UN annex territory? They havent, that's irrefutable.
When did the US and or UN stage a coup, arm the ensuing rebels, and invade on that justification of the rebels dying. I can think of multiple cases of 2 out of 3. But never all 3.

But if you are arguing the US is wrong, Russia is worse and your arguments and stances dont reflect that. Heck even if the US and UN have done as much as Russia your posts on Russia dont reflect the same amount of derision and decrying.

 

[LouderVol]

So you were/are all for what happened in Serbia regarding Kosovo? And US actions

Can you point to generations of these ex-Ukrainians being murdered, not having the same rights as their ex-countrymen, generations of political calls for independence, distinct majority ethnic groups not represented in the current government, religious violence, decades of broken promises going back to the formation of the country?

I know you guys struggle with this, but orders of magnitude matter. Kosovo is made up of mostly Albanians like 80%+, Albania did not annex Kosovo after they left Serbia. Dontesk was a majority Ukrainian 54% is the smallest percentage I could find, and even the Russian minority, biggest was 38%, was represented in their government, the ExSerbian Albanian minority was not represented in the Serb government. The Albaians, Macedonians, nor Montengerans armed or occupied Kosovo. They didnt invade and kick out the local Serbian governments or the local Albanian ethnicity government officials.

Kosovo was a separate independence movement not started by a foreign nation. It was eventually backed by foreign nations, but considering they had been fighting for their freedom before any international side or troops came in, it's not the same as Dontesk. Dontesk was armed, occupied, and then the calls for independence came up. If you cant see the differences you are being willfully dense.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Have you got Ukrainian casualty numbers and equipment losses?

 

[utvolpj]

Probably posted by so what

 

[Rickyvol77]

Lol. I specifically recall you having absolutely no problem with Zelensky and the fascist Ukrainian regime banning political parties and having a state controlled media.

Not caring isn’t the same as “absolutely no problem with”
i disagree with Zelensky doing that and his country can decide what to do with it. But he’s not the one who invaded a sovereign country either. If Zelensky invaded Russia unilaterally id say the same things I would about Putin’s invasion

 

[Rickyvol77]

I don't deny what he has done. Big picture, he has taken a broken Communist country and is building it back into a more Democratic, self sufficient and prosperous Nation. He also enjoys favorably polling. Is he Thomas Jefferson or George Washington? No, but he also isn't the "fascist dictator" western fake news portrays him to be.

Does he kill or imprison those who question and disagree with him?

 

[volgr]

BTW the UN includes Russia and China, soooooo......

To your point, it is refutable. When did the US or UN annex territory? They havent, that's irrefutable.
When did the US and or UN stage a coup, arm the ensuing rebels, and invade on that justification of the rebels dying. I can think of multiple cases of 2 out of 3. But never all 3.

But if you are arguing the US is wrong, Russia is worse and your arguments and stances dont reflect that. Heck even if the US and UN have done as much as Russia your posts on Russia dont reflect the same amount of derision and decrying.

I'm not arguing the US was wrong or right. I am simply stating that Russia is following the rules or precedent that the US and UN have used. No mental gymnastics required. Very simple.

 

[volgr]

Does he kill or imprison those who question and disagree with him?

That is too broad a question. We have non-violent J6'ers currently rotting in a jail for disagreeing with the last US Election. Does the US kill or imprison those who question and disagree with him? The answer would have to be yes, because the question is too broad.

 

[Rickyvol77]

That is too broad a question. We have non-violent J6'ers currently rotting in a jail for disagreeing with the last US Election. Does the US kill or imprison those who question and disagree with him? The answer would have to be yes, because the question is too broad.

So yes he does is your answer and the J6ers aren’t in jail for simply “disagreeing with the election” lol and they aren’t killed either

 

[volgr]

So yes he does is your answer and the J6ers aren’t in jail for simply “disagreeing with the election” lol and they aren’t killed either

You question was kill OR imprison. You do know what "or" means, right? And yes, some J6'ers are in jail for disagreeing with the election.

Your question was broad and quite honestly sophomoric. Look, Putin has broken some eggs. He is far from perfect. However, countries dont go from a commie hell hole to a vibrant Democracy overnight on a satin pillow.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That is too broad a question. We have non-violent J6'ers currently rotting in a jail for disagreeing with the last US Election. Does the US kill or imprison those who question and disagree with him? The answer would have to be yes, because the question is too broad.

Larry the whole premise of your schtick is if the US can do it then it must be ok and thus Russia is right to do it. Any the majority of the people you throw this bull to always call out the US on the bad behavior thus the premise of your point is a non starter. You have zero traction here. There is a term for this logical fallacy.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

 

[volgr]

If the US can do it then it must be ok and thus Russia is right to do it.

Close. I fixed it.

 

[volgr]

Good to see Russia evacuating Kherson, unlike the Ukes who take up positions in civilian infrastructure and according to widespread claims by Ukrainian citizens, were forced to remain in the city.

 

[volgr]

Good to see Russia evacuating Kherson, unlike the Ukes who take up positions in civilian infrastructure and according to widespread claims by Ukrainian citizens, were forced to remain in the city.

Ukraine has already sent too many of their men to their death in hopes of re-taking Kherson. This will be yet another brutal loss of life for Ukraine, if it occurs, which I hope it doesn't.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Close. I fixed it.

Yep based on your complete Homerism and inability to make a cogent logical argument you indeed “fixed” it - with whataboutism

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ukraine has already sent too many of their men to their death in hopes of re-taking Kherson. This will be yet another brutal loss of life for Ukraine, if it occurs, which I hope it doesn't.

No doubt you don’t want to see it. I’m sure you’re tired of seeing your homie orca getting their faces kicked in Larry