War in Ukraine

[IluvdoubleD's]

Dude looks real enough to me. NRA Releases Full Trove of Data Critical to Russia's National Security - Kyiv Post - Ukraine's Global Voice

 

[MontyPython]

Antonovsky bridge hit yesterday evening. Barge sunk and remaining ones removed by Russians. They're in a world of hurt in Kherson.

 

[LouderVol]

What would have been the problem with Yanukovich in 2013 being able to have the flexibility to have economic dealings with both the EU and Russia? That was the origins of the problem. Ukraine has economic ties to Russia, along with the obvious ethnic and historical ties. But the Europeans/US wanted Yanukovich to sign a deal where Ukraine was exclusively to deal with Europe and end dealings with Russia.

Why did the West force an all or nothing deal?

Link to the language of this all or nothing deal?

Because I am about 90% sure it was just a new deal with the west that didnt reject Russian trade. It was Putin who didnt like Ukraine being open to western trade also.

* nothing I have found says EU deal=no trade with Russia. Ukraine suspends talks on EU trade pact as Putin wins tug of war

The main hang up was the jailing of Yanukoych's political opponent that he replaced, Tymoshenko. let's see if budies turn on Yanokoych for jailing a political opponent.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Watch out for flying tanks Ukraine. The tank that could fly into battle

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[LouderVol]

Damn man, the very first Google search I make...

Ukraine and European Union Agreement Spurns Russia | Guardian Liberty Voice (guardianlv.com)

Ukraine and the European Union (EU) formalized a trade agreement on June 27 that effectively spurns Russia and provides economic and national security for the fledgling, independent nation. Over the past couple years; inconsistency has characterized the relationship between the EU and the eastern European neighbor that separates it from Russia. In 2012, the EU prepared a similar agreement with conditions that Ukraine make some internal changes to its legal and electoral systems that would more closely align with the European Union. Specifically, the EU asked Ukraine to free two opposition leaders. Despite pressure from his constituents, Viktor Yanukovych did not sign the trade agreement with between his country and the European Union. The two opposition leaders were not freed, and Yanukovych’s decision sparked pro-West demonstrations throughout Ukraine.

During the few days surrounding Kiev’s 2013 change of heart under Yanukovych, the Oman Observer reported that Ukraine’s cold feet came from pressure from Moscow who continually reminded Ukraine of potential economic repercussions from turning its back on Russia. Addressing the nation in a televised interview, then president Yanukovych told Ukraine that he was waiting for the EU to sweeten the terms of their proposed arrangement to account for the damages that would be caused by cutting economic ties with Russia. The European Union sent the message to Kiev that if Ukraine wanted the agreement then the EU was ready to talk about next steps. Yanukovych backed out. Russia did not favor losing influence over its former vassal. Tensions between the Kremlin and EU rose.

Yeah, so no actual language of this rejection of Russia. More fear mongering from Russia, not supported by facts.

The only caveat listed was the treatment of political prisoners, I guess you are back on the "it's ok to lock up my opponents" bandwagon, Zelensky would be so proud.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

A parade of manlets, with our very own Zelensky taking the cake.

 

[MontyPython]

A parade of manlets, with our very own Zelensky taking the cake.

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"Our"? Heh. No. Not yours.

YOUR boy is Putin.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Damn man, the very first Google search I make...

Ukraine and European Union Agreement Spurns Russia | Guardian Liberty Voice (guardianlv.com)

Ukraine and the European Union (EU) formalized a trade agreement on June 27 that effectively spurns Russia and provides economic and national security for the fledgling, independent nation. Over the past couple years; inconsistency has characterized the relationship between the EU and the eastern European neighbor that separates it from Russia. In 2012, the EU prepared a similar agreement with conditions that Ukraine make some internal changes to its legal and electoral systems that would more closely align with the European Union. Specifically, the EU asked Ukraine to free two opposition leaders. Despite pressure from his constituents, Viktor Yanukovych did not sign the trade agreement with between his country and the European Union. The two opposition leaders were not freed, and Yanukovych’s decision sparked pro-West demonstrations throughout Ukraine.

During the few days surrounding Kiev’s 2013 change of heart under Yanukovych, the Oman Observer reported that Ukraine’s cold feet came from pressure from Moscow who continually reminded Ukraine of potential economic repercussions from turning its back on Russia. Addressing the nation in a televised interview, then president Yanukovych told Ukraine that he was waiting for the EU to sweeten the terms of their proposed arrangement to account for the damages that would be caused by cutting economic ties with Russia. The European Union sent the message to Kiev that if Ukraine wanted the agreement then the EU was ready to talk about next steps. Yanukovych backed out. Russia did not favor losing influence over its former vassal. Tensions between the Kremlin and EU rose.

LMAO Moe way to shoot you self in the foot

 

[FLVOL_79]

A parade of manlets, with our very own Zelensky taking the cake.

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That moment when you accidently out yourself..

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[USF grad in TN]

Damn man, the very first Google search I make...

Ukraine and European Union Agreement Spurns Russia | Guardian Liberty Voice (guardianlv.com)

Ukraine and the European Union (EU) formalized a trade agreement on June 27 that effectively spurns Russia and provides economic and national security for the fledgling, independent nation. Over the past couple years; inconsistency has characterized the relationship between the EU and the eastern European neighbor that separates it from Russia. In 2012, the EU prepared a similar agreement with conditions that Ukraine make some internal changes to its legal and electoral systems that would more closely align with the European Union. Specifically, the EU asked Ukraine to free two opposition leaders. Despite pressure from his constituents, Viktor Yanukovych did not sign the trade agreement with between his country and the European Union. The two opposition leaders were not freed, and Yanukovych’s decision sparked pro-West demonstrations throughout Ukraine.

During the few days surrounding Kiev’s 2013 change of heart under Yanukovych, the Oman Observer reported that Ukraine’s cold feet came from pressure from Moscow who continually reminded Ukraine of potential economic repercussions from turning its back on Russia. Addressing the nation in a televised interview, then president Yanukovych told Ukraine that he was waiting for the EU to sweeten the terms of their proposed arrangement to account for the damages that would be caused by cutting economic ties with Russia. The European Union sent the message to Kiev that if Ukraine wanted the agreement then the EU was ready to talk about next steps. Yanukovych backed out. Russia did not favor losing influence over its former vassal. Tensions between the Kremlin and EU rose.

One more thing :
"The government of Yanukovych fell in the midst of civil unrest. Pro-Russian activists fled to the east and asked Russia to annex part of Ukraine. Yanukovych fled to Russia."

According to the article you provided, the separatist movement in the east started when pro-Russian activists from other parts of Ukraine moved there and contacted Russia.

 

[LouderVol]

One more thing :
"The government of Yanukovych fell in the midst of civil unrest. Pro-Russian activists fled to the east and asked Russia to annex part of Ukraine. Yanukovych fled to Russia."

According to the article you provided, the separatist movement in the east started when pro-Russian activists from other parts of Ukraine moved there and contacted Russia.

And it cant even say that they were actual Ulrainian activists.

Remember the most corrupt nations dealings with the second most corrupt nation is always 100% not-corrupt.

 

[volgr]

Good back and forth between Ritter and Napolitano. For those wanting a more fair and accurate picture of what is really going on in Ukraine.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[volgr]

Interestingly, this is one of the metrics the UN uses when weighing the legality of a secession movement. Not that the UN can be fair in regards to Ukraine/Russia, but if they were, this would be Ukraine shooting itself in d1ck yet again.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Interestingly, this is one of the metrics the UN uses when weighing the legality of a secession movement. Not that the UN can be fair in regards to Ukraine/Russia, but if they were, this would be Ukraine shooting itself in d1ck yet again.

A “civil war” between two separate sovereign combatants huh Larry? Damn your talking points need some serious work you’re saying the quiet part out loud.

 

[LouderVol]

Interestingly, this is one of the metrics the UN uses when weighing the legality of a secession movement. Not that the UN can be fair in regards to Ukraine/Russia, but if they were, this would be Ukraine shooting itself in d1ck yet again.

You cant claim a justification 8 years after the fact.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[volgr]

You cant claim a justification 8 years after the fact.

Tell that to Alex Jones.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You know if this is really all about Ukrainian appliance envy by the average Russian we could have probably come up with some other solution that didn’t require Russia invading Ukraine for appliance loot. Just saying.

@volgr @Rasputin_Vol @DonjoVol hey stooges could you use your troll factory ties to send a back channel diplomatic inquiry on washing machines for Ukrainian sovereignty? TIA!

 

[LouderVol]

Tell that to Alex Jones.

Uhhhmmm, ok.

Mr. Jones, you cant justify your actions from 8 years ago with something that happened today.

Now what volgr?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So it appears that the Ukrainians are still engaging in these suicidal offensives where the losing lives and equipment.

"In one of the areas controlled by the Akhmat special forces, the enemy made an unsuccessful attempt to break through the defense line. However, the response of our fighters was not long in coming. As a result - a destroyed tank, infantry fighting vehicles, as well as a certain number of personnel.

This is just one of many areas where the enemy repeatedly makes unsuccessful attempts to break through, while suffering huge losses in both equipment and manpower. Special Forces "Akhmat" confidently keeps the situation under control. However, we did not expect less from our fighters."