War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
Nope, but I have seen Cronkite lie to our faces, so lying from beyond the grave might not be a stretch. I do believe your generation would fall for it hook, line, and sinker though.
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Well obviously, you Boomers are still falling for Russia = Red army/Stalin/Communists. The brainwashing on you is obvious.
 
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Septic said:
Is it more or less ironic than you calling the Ukrainians "terrorists" for bombing a bridge that was being used by the RF to move troops and equipment while being completely silent on Russia shelling and bombing civilian neighborhoods, schools, electric plants and hospitals?
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I tell you what, I will not call the crimea Bridge bombing a terrorist act.

So tell me what the car bombing of Daryia Dugina and the destruction of Nordstream pipelines is?
How about the attacks on a nuclear power plant in Zaporozhia?
 
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AM64 said:
Of course, I feel the same way about China. A country in good shape with a productive population doesn't fall for communism - and nobody else dehumanized those two societies. Communism is only sold to backwards countries with failing economies and people with no future. Besides all you have to do is read a little history to see that Russia (and China) were so far out of touch with the advance of civilization they both had to look to advanced countries (like Europe and the US) to get out of the dark ages. As far as the sandbox goes; all I can say is Islam, Islam, Islam and backwards, backwards, backwards. If that makes me a bigot, then so be it; we need to call things what they are.
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You are describing America right now with the people we have running it right now.

Your dumb azz is too blind to notice that the people running America right now are communists/nihilists that want to de-industrialize us, destroy traditional values and drive us into serfdom. Russia and China, whether you like it or believe it, are opposing those forces in Washington and London and Brussels. Humanisty needs for Russia to win this conflict and put those diabolical people to shame and discredit them before they lead sheeple like you into supporting a nuclear war that will wipe all of us out.
 
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AM64 said:
You know Himmler managed to form at least one SS division with Ukrainians (and mostly hide it from Hitler), and Germany is in NATO, so it's surprising there haven't been reports that NATO is responsible for Ukrainian Nazis.
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WTF are you talkng about? Of course there have been several stories about NATO supporting Ukrainian Nazis. Are you serious right now?
 
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AM64 said:
I have to admit I thought it was a bluff and didn't actually think Russia would be stupid enough to invade. That's not a way to win friends, and they haven't definitely impressed enemies in a positive way either. I gave Russia far more credit than it deserved; it's obviously still a resource rich but overwhelmingly backwards country dominated by the few who exploit the masses.
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I didn't think Russia would invade based on what 3elensky was saying in February because I knew I couldn't depend on anything the White House or Biden were saying. But I was wrong. I also didn't know how bad of a liar and despicable person 3elensky was at that time, either.

Fact remains that there was 8 years (actually 30 years) of time for the west to negotiate wit Russia with regards to having a buffer between Russia and NATO. But as you have illustrated in several of your posts, The West does not respect the concerns of Russia or China.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No you tell me who and why. I would love to hear/read your answer.

Is it because America is the good guys?
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Your version is every other country can play things loose, but the US has to be perfect ... and "perfect" means that the decisions made by the US have to be politically correct for all time, and that's just not going to happen. So why do you believe that the rules of "acceptability" be one thing for the US or even some European countries and so very different for countries like Russia?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, we should be more concerned about our own needs and supply and worry ourselves far less about WTF Europe needs.

Are you seriously asking this silly azz question right now?
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I believe you were basically accusing the US of profiteering in the sale of fuel to European countries. That's definitely what I pulled from your post.
 
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AM64 said:
Your version is every other country can play things loose, but the US has to be perfect ... and "perfect" means that the decisions made by the US have to be politically correct for all time, and that's just not going to happen. So why do you believe that the rules of "acceptability" be one thing for the US or even some European countries and so very different for countries like Russia?
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Simply because the US postures themselves as the paragon of freedom and democracy and the model that every other country should follow.

You act as though we are just apple pie and hugs and kisses.
 
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AM64 said:
I believe you were basically accusing the US of profiteering in the sale of fuel to European countries. That's definitely what I pulled from your post.
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Yes. That is exactly what I am saying and i don't back away from it.

I asked you guys way back in February, "What good do threse sanctions do for the average American or for the average European"? And none of you clowns came up with a good answer. This entire conflict against Russia was unnecessary and totally avoidable if we had actually diplomacy and actual people that were wanting to have mutually benficial trade. Europe, obviously is caught up in the green agenda nonsense... we all understand that. But to corner Europe into a situation where they either have to choose between Russian piepline gas or more expensive and unreliable LNG shipped from the US... we are not looking out for the best interests of the average person in Europe. Nor is any of this in the best interests of the average person on Main Street USA. You are a clown if you think this benefits average folk.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I tell you what, I will not call the crimea Bridge bombing a terrorist act.

So tell me what the car bombing of Daryia Dugina and the destruction of Nordstream pipelines is?
How about the attacks on a nuclear power plant in Zaporozhia?
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I should have known you'd fecklessly tap dance around having to admit that Russia is terrorizing civilians. Coward.

About the other things, I'd call those false flags. Likely orchestrated by a desperate man in search of support for a pet war that has waning support.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes. That is exactly what I am saying and i don't back away from it.

I asked you guys way back in February, "What good do threse sanctions do for the average American or for the average European"? And none of you clowns came up with a good answer. This entire conflict against Russia was unnecessary and totally avoidable if we had actually diplomacy and actual people that were wanting to have mutually benficial trade. Europe, obviously is caught up in the green agenda nonsense... we all understand that. But to corner Europe into a situation where they either have to choose between Russian piepline gas or more expensive and unreliable LNG shipped from the US... we are not looking out for the best interests of the average person in Europe. Nor is any of this in the best interests of the average person on Main Street USA. You are a clown if you think this benefits average folk.
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I've learned recently that a handful of these trolls will never provide a rational answer regarding any sanctions. Especially when it comes to the trio of Biden stooges - Hill, Septic, and Dallas. You could get a better answer from AOC or MTG.

What these clowns don't realize is Russia could cut off Europe completely and they would still be just fine economically. I honestly think that is one thing that riles these clowns up as well. Russia won't be going back to the dark ages like they hoped.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I've learned recently that a handful of these trolls will never provide a rational answer regarding any sanctions. Especially when it comes to the trio of Biden stooges - Hill, Septic, and Dallas. You could get a better answer from AOC or MTG.

What these clowns don't realize is Russia could cut off Europe completely and they would still be just fine economically. I honestly think that is one thing that riles these clowns up as well. Russia won't be going back to the dark ages like they hoped.
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You advocate for fascist/communist like control over businesses and then have the lack of self awareness to tell people they don't understand libertarianism and now you want to talk about being rational?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I didn't think Russia would invade based on what 3elensky was saying in February because I knew I couldn't depend on anything the White House or Biden were saying. But I was wrong. I also didn't know how bad of a liar and despicable person 3elensky was at that time, either.

Fact remains that there was 8 years (actually 30 years) of time for the west to negotiate wit Russia with regards to having a buffer between Russia and NATO. But as you have illustrated in several of your posts, The West does not respect the concerns of Russia or China.
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You didn't think they'd invade because Putin said they wouldn't invade. If Zelenskyy is a liar because of this, what does that say about Putin? For that matter what does it say about the US? I don't understand how you twist this up.
 
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apevol said:
You advocate for fascist/communist like control over businesses and then have the lack of self awareness to tell people they don't understand libertarianism and now you want to talk about being rational?
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People shouldn't have control over other people's bodies when it comes to medical treatment. Why is that so hard for you and others to understand?

I suggest reading the writings of Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner and the national Libertarian Party platform. What you guys are advocating when it comes to vaccine mandates is fascist authoritarianism. Plain and simple.
 
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volgr said:
Total nonsense. Russia is pulling up 300k former combat trained soldiers. No different than the US. These forces will not require much time to train before being battle ready. As for Ukraine being weaker to start the war, that is ludicrous. Ukraine's best fighting forces, trained by NATO, are gone at this point and they aren't being replenished with former combat trained reinforcements. They are the ones, not Russia, being reinforced with barely trained conscripts. Which is why you see them taking HUGE losses in these poorly designed offensives in Kherson.
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Yeah the pictures I have seen of your combat trained troops doesnt inspire much faith in their combat abilities. With the age range going up to the 60s, where any combat training was decades back, and the low of 18 cant have the training, you arent digging out too many GI Ivan's. Even if they have the training it's not like riding a bike and you have to account for the physical side of things. Sure you will get some, but most arent going to be combat ready anytime soon. The equipment getting captured now doesnt speak very well either. T62s and older AK74s, not even the Ms.

Ukraine now has way more men with combat experience than they did at the start. They now have months of western equipment rolling in. Even stuff like the HIMARS you have claimed to be ineffective and/or destroyed, have been making an impact.

Until I see another seesaw swing in the border I wont believe the Ukrainians have weekend themselves to the point of it being an issue. Sure after the winter we may see it after Russia has been able to train up its guys and figure out the logistics for a couple months. But nothing going to happen anytime soon.
 
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DonjoVol said:
People shouldn't have control over other people's bodies when it comes to medical treatment. Why is that so hard for you and others to understand?

I suggest reading the writings of Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner and the national Libertarian Party platform. What you guys are advocating when it comes to vaccine mandates is fascist authoritarianism. Plain and simple.
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This is what I mean. You don't understand what adjectives mean.
 
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