War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
Even far-left Forward magazine was reporting on the neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine just last year.

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Maybe I havent scrolled far enough down but the problem is street names and monuments. The rest seems to be listing the atrocities of these guys, havent seen anything actually pointing to policy, these guys in power, or changes in public opinion.

I would hardly call that a real problem worth invading over. Just like over here with the Confederate generals, does tearing down a statue and changing a name change anything?

And it's not so strange if you take a step back and look at it. Ukraine is currently being invaded by a foreign power, Russia. This has sparked nationalist feelings. Thus references back to other examples of Ukrainian nationalists is going to be more popular than ever. Especially in this case cause those same Ukrainian Nazis fought the Russians.

And considering the government is made up of fewer Nazis now than 2012, I am not worried about them actually having a Nazi problem, and that article did nothing to push the argument forward.
 
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LouderVol said:
Maybe I havent scrolled far enough down but the problem is street names and monuments. The rest seems to be listing the atrocities of these guys, havent seen anything actually pointing to policy, these guys in power, or changes in public opinion.

I would hardly call that a real problem worth invading over. Just like over here with the Confederate generals, does tearing down a statue and changing a name change anything?

And it's not so strange if you take a step back and look at it. Ukraine is currently being invaded by a foreign power, Russia. This has sparked nationalist feelings. Thus references back to other examples of Ukrainian nationalists is going to be more popular than ever. Especially in this case cause those same Ukrainian Nazis fought the Russians.

And considering the government is made up of fewer Nazis now than 2012, I am not worried about them actually having a Nazi problem, and that article did nothing to push the argument forward.
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So wait the whole gist of his argument is there are street names and statutes that are controlling Ukrainian policy and running the legislature?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And I guess one person read it then!
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah the pictures I have seen of your combat trained troops doesnt inspire much faith in their combat abilities. With the age range going up to the 60s, where any combat training was decades back, and the low of 18 cant have the training, you arent digging out too many GI Ivan's. Even if they have the training it's not like riding a bike and you have to account for the physical side of things. Sure you will get some, but most arent going to be combat ready anytime soon. The equipment getting captured now doesnt speak very well either. T62s and older AK74s, not even the Ms.

Ukraine now has way more men with combat experience than they did at the start. They now have months of western equipment rolling in. Even stuff like the HIMARS you have claimed to be ineffective and/or destroyed, have been making an impact.

Until I see another seesaw swing in the border I wont believe the Ukrainians have weekend themselves to the point of it being an issue. Sure after the winter we may see it after Russia has been able to train up its guys and figure out the logistics for a couple months. But nothing going to happen anytime soon.
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None of that post is true. From top to bottom, total fabrication. This is why it is impossible to even try and discuss this topic with most of you.
 
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Majors said:


Meanwhile in Russia. Seems the news cycle was controlled when Biden couldn't get this deal done months ago.
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There are people right here in the Land of the Free that are doing just as much time for marijuana possession. Not saying it is right in either situation. Just wondering why no outcry and gnashing of teeth for the people right here at home.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There are people right here in the Land of the Free that are doing just as much time for marijuana possession. Not saying it is right in either situation. Just wondering why no outcry and gnashing of teeth for the people right here at home.
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The potential blanket 6500 mass release right before elections as a back pocket distraction.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you miss the referenda from a month ago? Did you not see Walter Cronkite or Huntley & Brinkley report it?
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How would you feel about Ukraine taking the territory back, and holding their own referendum? Exact same process and percentage results as the first, just this time in favor of Ukraine. Would you accept them, and admit Russia should bow out to the will of the people?
 
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volgr said:
Because you are a troll. I dont usually block people but you and Septic are obvious trolls.
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Trolling would be much easier than trying to talk sense with some of the know nothing mopes who haunt this forum, but I usually try to talk sense with them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I tell you what, I will not call the crimea Bridge bombing a terrorist act.

So tell me what the car bombing of Daryia Dugina and the destruction of Nordstream pipelines is?
How about the attacks on a nuclear power plant in Zaporozhia?
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Daryia could be terrorism. If it was done by Ukraine. Plenty of angry Russians might have also wanted to go after her dad.

Nordstream was an act of war. It was a potential means of funding their enemy. So if it was done by Ukraine it's a valid target. Germany may not like it, but they can take it uo with whoever they think did it. If it was the US or some third party I would say terrorism fits a bit. Not really an attack that causes fear/terror to change politics.

The nuclear plant is an interesting situation. No direct attacks on the plant just yet despite practically being the front line. The only things I have seen reported is loss of power. Power was lost after a missile attack hit a near by substation held by Ukraine. The plant is held by Russia. So no matter who did it, they took out a substation serving both Ukrainian held territory and Russian held territory. That seems like an act of war no matter who did it. What's interesting is the Ukrainians cant repair the substation due to ongoing shelling by the Russians, and the Russians have captured/stolen two separate fuel shipments trying to get to the plant to fuel the back up diesel generators. So russia doesnt seem to be taking it as a very serious threat.

So at worst you have one case of terrorism, and potentially a causi bellum for Germany in Ukraine.
 
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LouderVol said:
Daryia could be terrorism. If it was done by Ukraine. Plenty of angry Russians might have also wanted to go after her dad.

Nordstream was an act of war. It was a potential means of funding their enemy. So if it was done by Ukraine it's a valid target. Germany may not like it, but they can take it uo with whoever they think did it. If it was the US or some third party I would say terrorism fits a bit. Not really an attack that causes fear/terror to change politics.

The nuclear plant is an interesting situation. No direct attacks on the plant just yet despite practically being the front line. The only things I have seen reported is loss of power. Power was lost after a missile attack hit a near by substation held by Ukraine. The plant is held by Russia. So no matter who did it, they took out a substation serving both Ukrainian held territory and Russian held territory. That seems like an act of war no matter who did it. What's interesting is the Ukrainians cant repair the substation due to ongoing shelling by the Russians, and the Russians have captured/stolen two separate fuel shipments trying to get to the plant to fuel the back up diesel generators. So russia doesnt seem to be taking it as a very serious threat.

So at worst you have one case of terrorism, and potentially a causi bellum for Germany in Ukraine.
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I saw a report of a Russian claiming the Daryia bombing was conducted by Russians as a threat to elites who are supporting Putin. Terrorism by Russians against Russians.
 
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volgr said:
What freedom am I asking anyone to give up?
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The Ukrainians sovereignity. You have argued this entire time they should just give in and let Russia take what it wants.

Granted I haven't**** done a comparison of Russian laws vs Ukrainian laws to know the difference but its largely a moot point considering the corruption present in both. But considering how much you rant about Ukrainian corruption, it seems like the Russians being more corrupt would be a point against them taking more territory, and be a valid reason to reject the annexation.

Big edit, didnt make "have", "haven't", changes the tone of my post a good bit.
 
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