War in Ukraine

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hog88 said:
It‘s not just the western democracies that are controlled by “oligarchs“.
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True. But we hold ourselves up as the morally superior side, and yet we are ate up with as much, if not more corruption... We should be held to a higher standard.
 
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hog88 said:
I disagree that we are "more corrupt" and that we need to be held to a higher standard.
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I would expect most people to disagree that we are more corrupt because that goes against their preconceived notions.

Not sure why you think we shouldn't be held to a higher standard, however.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would expect most people to disagree that we are more corrupt because that goes against their preconceived notions.

Not sure why you think we shouldn't be held to a higher standard, however.
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I don't think we are more corrupt than any other comparable nation, Russia, China, Western Europe. All are led by equally corrupt and often conspiring cabals.

As for not being held to a higher standard, our faux notion that we should be more moral or just than other nations when it comes to international affairs is a detriment.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think we are more corrupt than any other comparable nation, Russia, China, Western Europe. All are led by equally corrupt and often conspiring cabals.

As for not being held to a higher standard, our faux notion that we should be more moral or just than other nations when it comes to international affairs is a detriment.
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OK
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would expect most people to disagree that we are more corrupt because that goes against their preconceived notions.

Not sure why you think we shouldn't be held to a higher standard, however.
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I’m coming around, but I’ll go with “just as…”, not necessarily more. However, you and I have discussed Creature from Jekyll Island and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man…and along with what we’ve witnessed for years now, I would say nobody is one upping us by much.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ras is going to love this
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Why? Because it is factual?

Then, as now, the conflict was fueled at a fundamental level by the eagerness of the defense lobby to expand NATO eastwards, regardless of entirely predictable Russian reactions. By 2008, Moscow’s erstwhile eastern European satellites, once part of the defunct Warsaw Pact, had all been absorbed into NATO, despite earlier pledges by Western leaders that no such expansion would take place.
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British intelligence is saying that a Christmas Eve invasion is possible. Also Putin is meeting with the Ministry of Defense and Russian National Security Council tomorrow…
 
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If Russia does invade Ukraine and is sanctioned, do they shut off gas to Europe? They need the money? I do wonder how NATO will respond…
 
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headhunter15 said:
If Russia does invade Ukraine and is sanctioned, do they shut of gas to Europe? They need the money? I do wonder how NATO will respond…
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I hope they do, so those little feckless twits can suffer and decide whether or not to send in their own son's to be put up for slaughter instead of offering up the Americans for a change.
 
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headhunter15 said:
If Russia does invade Ukraine and is sanctioned, do they shut of gas to Europe? They need the money? I do wonder how NATO will respond…
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I read a recent article, linked by Ras, where Putin and their leaders discussed Gorbachev errors. You don't start this when a strong WH. You start this with a bunch of suckers that talk loud and that's about it.

A former America military official talked about how Putin and Xi responds to action not talk. Strength not weakness.
 
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VolStrom said:
I hope they do, so those little feckless twits can suffer and decide whether or not to send in their own son's to be put up for slaughter instead of offering up the Americans for a change.
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I don't expect anything to happen in a vacuum. Multiple adversaries see opportunities for expansion but China wouldn't do anything before the Olympics.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I read a recent article, linked by Ras, where Putin and their leaders discussed Gorbachev errors. You don't start this when a strong WH. You start this with a bunch of suckers that talk loud and that's about it.

A former America military official talked about how Putin and Xi responds to action not talk. Strength not weakness.
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:sigh:

None of this would even be an issue if NATO hadn't been moving into former Soviet states and then overthrown an elected leader in Ukraine in 2014.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I don't expect anything to happen in a vacuum. Multiple adversaries see opportunities for expansion but China wouldn't do anything before the Olympics.
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I thought we were discussing Russia invading Ukraine not China? No matter what though, the EU needs to grow a set and take care of their own region and not rely on us to do diddly to help them just like the 1930's.
 
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