War in Ukraine

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Keeping their hands in their pockets? Invading a foreign country, bombing civilian targets. At this point you're a caricature, a punchline.

And Ukraine had plenty of answers. They have bogged down what supposed to have been one of the worlds top military fighting forces into a quagmire. They've had to conscript troops and empty prisons to supplement their dead. Inflation is triple that in the US and it's becoming an ever increasingly unpopular endeavor in Russia. In fact the only thing keeping the hardliners in support is fear of what happens if they lose.

This is pretty much the worst case scenario of possible outcomes for Russia when they weighed the risks going in.

War is hell, for Ukraine and for Russians. Ukraine of defending their home. Russia is attempting to gain back influence over it's former satellites. They've just galvanizing the rest against them save Belarus, but give them another generation, likely not even 5-10 years and they'll oppose Russia too.


You need to face facts just as Russia does....... They've already lost.

Russia is losing the propaganda war no doubt…have been since Maiden and when Yanukovych was ran out of the country in 2014, but don’t be fooled into thinking they’re going to lose this war just because a few missiles/drones touched down on Russian soil.

Ukrainian energy infrastructure, military supply lines/logistics are taking a beating. I don’t see Ukraine winning a war of attrition.

 

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[KB5252]

Russia is losing the propaganda war no doubt…have been since Maiden and when Yanukovych was ran out of the country in 2014, but don’t be fooled into thinking they’re going to lose this war just because a few missiles/drones touched down on Russian soil.

Ukrainian energy infrastructure, military supply lines/logistics are taking a beating. I don’t see Ukraine winning a war of attrition.

That's just my point though. Russa can win, sure they can. They won't take all of Ukraine though..... But even if they carve out what they've taken of Ukraine they've lost. The former satellites are galvanized and the die is set. Russia is no longer able to lean on it's former satellites and exert it's will.

 

[Electric Orange]

Does everyone in Ukraine want to win with this kind of cash flowing in?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia is losing the propaganda war no doubt…have been since Maiden and when Yanukovych was ran out of the country in 2014, but don’t be fooled into thinking they’re going to lose this war just because a few missiles/drones touched down on Russian soil.

Ukrainian energy infrastructure, military supply lines/logistics are taking a beating. I don’t see Ukraine winning a war of attrition.

They’re losing this war because they’re being forced out of territories they gained before their advance stalled out. Ukraine broke serve on the initial assault which nobody expected. And now they’re steadily pushing them back. Kherson was the only substantive city gained and they’ve given it back.

Russia can’t execute a war of attrition effectively. They have no resupply while literally the entire West is resupplying Ukraine for as long as Ukraine chooses to fight.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia gave up months worth of gains in Bakhmut in 48 hours. Every advance has been stuffed back in their faces. And plenty of articles have been put up showing there’s absolutely no reason to expend this kind of effort in Bakhmut it has no significance it’s just a pissing contest. That Russia is losing.

BTW that’s an awesome stooge Twitter account. Looking at his last hour of posts and it’s all caps screeching Pootin propaganda. Hilarious.

 

[NorthDallas40]

From mid March, then day 100, and the current situation. Russia has given up huge amounts of their initial gains.

 

[MontyPython]

Oh noes! Putin war budget shrinking day by day by day...

No doubt @Rasputin_Vol can identify with shrinkage living in Siberia and what not.

 

[MontyPython]

Interesting stuff. Seems about right.

ISW:

"Igor Girkin, a former Russian militant commander and prominent critical voice in the Russian milblogger information space, returned to Telegram following a nearly two-month stint in Ukraine and used his return to offer a vitriolic first-hand account of the situation on the frontlines. Girkin posted on Telegram on December 6 to speak on his experiences in Ukraine for the first time since he announced he was leaving to join the Russian army to fight in Ukraine in October.[9] Girkin detailed his multiple and unsuccessful efforts to register and join various units and contentious interactions with Russian and Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) commanders and noted that he finally joined a DNR battalion illegally, which allowed him to deploy to the Svatove area in Luhansk Oblast.[10] Girkin concluded that based on his experience on the frontline, it is clear that Russian forces are suffering from a “crisis of strategic planning” due to the fact that troops are relying only on tactical inertia and not cohering around a wider strategic goal.[11] Girkin also noted that the Kremlin will be unsuccessful in igniting protests in Ukraine with its missile campaign against critical energy infrastructure, further noting that winter weather will not stop Ukrainian forces from advancing.[12] Several other prominent milbloggers amplified Girkin’s story and conclusions, emphasizing Girkin’s past leadership role in hostilities in Donbas in 2014.[13] This scathing critique of the Russian military leadership from one of the most vocal and well-known figureheads of the hyper-nationalist information space, who has now reportedly acquired first-hand experiences of the nuances of frontline life, is likely to exacerbate tension between Russian military leadership and milbloggers and may reignite fragmentation within the ultra-nationalist community itself."

 

[LouderVol]

Hey genius, all this will do is escalate things even more. And we already see that the only tool that the Weste has in their toolbox is sanctions at this point. Look at the amount of escalation after the Kerch bridge bombing and the destruction of NS 1 & 2. have you been paying attention? Ukraine has no answers. Russia kept their hands in their pockets for 8 months until then.

1. No they didnt keep their hands in their pockets. They had no issues hitting civilian targets before. They even invaded the rest of Ukraine over a small portion.
2. War is escalation. If you dont escalate you wont win. From either side. No reason to expect the Ukrainians to sit in passive mode this whole time.
3. It always amuses me that you get upset when Ukraine takes a step forward, but never get upset with Russia for their own escalations. You continously expect Ukraine to be the willing victim, and get all upset when they manage to hit back. This is what Russia signed up for when they invaded, an enemy willing to fight back.

 

[LouderVol]

Ukraine seems to be answering quite well. As far as “escalation” goes, maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

He, just like the Russians, only wanted a victim. They didnt want a fair fight. They are the bully getting punched in the nose after they attacked their would be victim from behind. And what's worse they cry foul and run crying to momma every time they get hit back trying to claim they are the victim after starting the fight.

Size of the dog, vs size of the fight in the dog. It's very clear which side has the size of the fight advantage.

 

[hndog609]

You continously expect Ukraine to be the willing victim, and get all upset when they manage to hit back. This is what Russia signed up for when they invaded, an enemy willing to fight back.

C'mon man, you saw what Ukraine was wearing. No country dresses up and goes out like that without expecting somebody to try and hit it.

 

[LouderVol]

Russia is losing the propaganda war no doubt…have been since Maiden and when Yanukovych was ran out of the country in 2014, but don’t be fooled into thinking they’re going to lose this war just because a few missiles/drones touched down on Russian soil.

Ukrainian energy infrastructure, military supply lines/logistics are taking a beating. I don’t see Ukraine winning a war of attrition.

The issue is are the various populations willing to put with the losses.

The Ukrainians have always known they were in a fight with a stronger enemy. They have always known it was a fight for the independence of their country. They know they have much more to lose in losing, and they are still very willing to accept those losses.

Russians were expecting an easy, relatively bloodless victory. Their acceptance for loss is relatively low.

You dont have to defeat the entirety of either military to win the war. You just have to convince the other side that continued violence isnt in their best interest.

Russia losing strategic assets hundreds of miles from the front lines is going to change their calculus on if the fight is worth it. Especially if they believe a bigger fight vs NATO is coming.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The issue is are the various populations willing to put with the losses.

The Ukrainians have always known they were in a fight with a stronger enemy. They have always known it was a fight for the independence of their country. They know they have much more to lose in losing, and they are still very willing to accept those losses.

Russians were expecting an easy, relatively bloodless victory. Their acceptance for loss is relatively low.

You dont have to defeat the entirety of either military to win the war. You just have to convince the other side that continued violence isnt in their best interest.

Russia losing strategic assets hundreds of miles from the front lines is going to change their calculus on if the fight is worth it. Especially if they believe a bigger fight vs NATO is coming.

The only way Russia winds up shooting with NATO is if Russia aggresses a NATO member. There is zero reason to change what they’re doing now since it’s working. Arming Ukraine to the teeth and and watching Ukraine kick Russia’s teeth in. Of course Russia screams no fair at this. But it’s a hollow baseless screech and caused by only their own aggression. They could end this all tomorrow. Just withdraw

 

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[NorthDallas40]

Hey could you find a tweet of the receipts of the blocchain transactions showing movement from FTX to Ukraine, and then Ukraine to any US politician. I mean those transactions are inherently traceable so if this actually occurred there are obviously tweets logging those transactions. TIA!

 

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They’re losing this war because they’re being forced out of territories they gained before their advance stalled out. Ukraine broke serve on the initial assault which nobody expected. And now they’re steadily pushing them back. Kherson was the only substantive city gained and they’ve given it back.

Russia can’t execute a war of attrition effectively. They have no resupply while literally the entire West is resupplying Ukraine for as long as Ukraine chooses to fight.

They were forced out of territories after the initial assault, but they are slowly and methodically making pushes in the southern and northern areas of Bakhmut. Ukrainian supply lines in Bakhmut are in range of RF guns. Wagner has been bested here, I will agree, up until recently.

What are you talking about no resupply for Russia? The Kherson withdrawal was strategic. Resupply would’ve been difficult on the west side of the Dneiper. I think a war of attrition is being used by the RF…electrical infrastructure is being targeted which effects railroad lines and resupply lines tremendously. The whole contact line across Donetsk is a meat grinder which favors Russia…especially after full mobilization and combat readiness is achieved.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They were forced out of territories after the initial assault, but they are slowly and methodically making pushes in the southern and northern areas of Bakhmut. Ukrainian supply lines in Bakhmut are in range of RF guns. Wagner has been bested here, I will agree, up until recently.

What are you talking about no resupply for Russia? The Kherson withdrawal was strategic. Resupply would’ve been difficult on the west side of the Dneiper. I think a war of attrition is being used by the RF…electrical infrastructure is being targeted which effects railroad lines and resupply lines tremendously. The whole contact line across Donetsk is a meat grinder which favors Russia…especially after full mobilization and combat readiness is achieved.

Oh they might but pushing but they are not regaining any ground. And they got their asses kicked in Kherson. I posted the maps earlier showing the tactical situation. Russia continues to slowly lose ground.

And resupply requires supplies to resupply with. Where are those coming from in this war of attrition they’re going to win. Russia is literally engaged in a supply war with the entire Western economies

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Ukrainian energy infrastructure, military supply lines/logistics are taking a beating. I don’t see Ukraine winning a war of attrition.

Russia hasn't had a military since Ukraine left. Ukraine has all the expertise, the scientists, The commanders, the planners, and even the raw materials (the real reason for russia's invasion). The only reason russia is nuclear is because ukraine gave them their nukes in a sign of good faith, which russia seems to have ignored, like the animals they are.

Ukraine is now making their own drones to attack far into russia. russia has already lost, they are just waiting for putin to die. There is a decent chance they become a second tier country after that.

 

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Russia gave up months worth of gains in Bakhmut in 48 hours. Every advance has been stuffed back in their faces. And plenty of articles have been put up showing there’s absolutely no reason to expend this kind of effort in Bakhmut it has no significance it’s just a pissing contest. That Russia is losing.

BTW that’s an awesome stooge Twitter account. Looking at his last hour of posts and it’s all caps screeching Pootin propaganda. Hilarious.

Ukraine is expending butt loads of valuable resources here, as is Russia.

Who cares? It’s not a 40 minute podcast…it’s a 10 second video titled Bakhmut.

 

[LouderVol]

They were forced out of territories after the initial assault, but they are slowly and methodically making pushes in the southern and northern areas of Bakhmut. Ukrainian supply lines in Bakhmut are in range of RF guns. Wagner has been bested here, I will agree, up until recently.

What are you talking about no resupply for Russia? The Kherson withdrawal was strategic. Resupply would’ve been difficult on the west side of the Dneiper. I think a war of attrition is being used by the RF…electrical infrastructure is being targeted which effects railroad lines and resupply lines tremendously. The whole contact line across Donetsk is a meat grinder which favors Russia…especially after full mobilization and combat readiness is achieved.

Bakhmut has been in gun range since September.

And I really dont think a meat grinder favors Russia. Ukraine might be willing to rism their entire force to hold their own territory. Can Russia really say the same?

I said it early on, there is a reason shock and Awe has been the go to method of war since mechanization happened. It works, its effective, and it saves lives and damage, because it ends the fight fast. Russia doesnt want this to turn into a years long war of attrition.

 

[evillawyer]

Would make a perfect Christmas gift for all of our resident Putinistas


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[NorthDallas40]

Ukraine is expending butt loads of valuable resources here, as is Russia.

Who cares? It’s not a 40 minute podcast…it’s a 10 second video titled Bakhmut.

And Ukraine has resupply which Russia does not. I don’t blame you after it’s been pointed out I’d back away from that troll account too. Hey it was YOUR source.

 

[LouderVol]

Would make a perfect Christmas gift for all of our resident Putinistas


Description
“How to Tankie” is the anti-imperialist’s guide for the modern world. This book guides you on correct ways to argue against colonialists, war-shills and imperialists in a manner that is unconstrained by facts, logic, reason, or consistency. It covers the most important principles which you must follow to be the right side of history on every issue compared to those corporatist war shills who want to end humanity in a nuclear war. All of the main tenets of anti-imperialism are covered, and each chapter ends with a helpful quiz to guide you on your journey to a higher, morally superior worldview. At the end there is a quiz to test your knowledge so you can see if you’re a professor emeritus of tankiedom or just an imperialist lickspittle in the pay of the CIA.

Darth Putin KGB has over 500,000 twitter followers and once had the Kremlin try to ban the account because they were afraid no one could tell them from a so-called parody. The account has popularized the phrase “Do not believe anything until The Kremlin denies it”, “All my trolls are morons” and, since February 2022, “I remain a master strategist”.

Anti colonialism and imperialism? Straight out of the communist play book.