War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
And what you and your fellow jobbers don't understand is that these conflicts were never designed to establish anything. They were designed to bring in money for our military industrial complex.
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Dude quit trying to move the goalposts every time your argument fails. You sound like a petulant child.
 
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hog88 said:
It does mean something but as we've seen in the past you can't just spend yourself into victory. Now with that said, the Russian armed forces are incompetent. Their officer corp is even more corrupt and incompetent than ours so they wouldn't stand a chance.
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Another unsubstantiated attack on our military officers by Hog. I'm guessing the bulk of your military experience, if any, was spent on the carpet.

You know, those A-10 pilots who tore it up in Iraq/Afghanistan, sometimes bringing home a plane with half a wing, were all officers. I guess you think they sucked too. You may not want to say that to a vet who had 2-3 Warthogs save his a$$.
 
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LouderVol said:
Everybody is that way. Seriously, go read any original media from any culture. Violence perpetrated everything. It's like sex. It sells.
We evolved having to fight and kill animals and each other to survive. We evolved as predators, its built into us. It's not a US issue.
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Nope. And you know well I speak of the history of this nation. We're hate based, you see it everywhere. Just check vintage advertisements, and so much more. But forget, experience has long taught me, our mainstream prefers to think we're the world heroes. While in reality, we are the foremost predatory nation of all. Basically lying to ourselves. But thems that prefer not to know the truth, can't know or acknowledge it.
 
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05_never_again said:
As the world ever seen a great power, or even a regional or middling power, that didn't conduct themselves that way?
It's human nature. It's actually remarkable how much more civilized the world has become over the last 75 years than the preceding 5,000.
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Obviously, you read selectively. Otherwise, you'd have noted my original post on the matter acknowledged the very thing you said. Those who prefer to be blind, are. Good night for the nonce.
 
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WBO said:
Another unsubstantiated attack on our military officers by Hog. I'm guessing the bulk of your military experience, if any, was spent on the carpet.

You know, those A-10 pilots who tore it up in Iraq/Afghanistan, sometimes bringing home a plane with half a wing, were all officers. I guess you think they sucked too. You may not want to say that to a vet who had 2-3 Warthogs save his a$$.
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And what command decisions do pilots make? I do owe A-10 and AC-130 drivers a debt of gratitude.

You need to read the book Not a Good Day to Die by Sean Naylor and get back to us on the wonderful decisions made by Sr officers. They and their quest for legacy screwed up operation Anaconda about as bad as an operation could be screwed up. Cost several good men their lives.

Oh and I did my time.
 
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hog88 said:
And what command decisions do pilots make? I do owe A-10 and AC-130 drivers a debt of gratitude.

You need to read the book Not a Good Day to Die by Sean Naylor and get back to us on the wonderful decisions made by Sr officers. They and their quest for legacy screwed up operation Anaconda about as bad as an operation could be screwed up. Cost several good men their lives.

Oh and I did my time.
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Anybody O4 and down in a combat or direct support role earns their keep. Even good loggie officers earn their keep. Too many REMFers starting at O5 and up playing more politics than war games.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Obviously, you read selectively. Otherwise, you'd have noted my original post on the matter acknowledged the very thing you said. Those who prefer to be blind, are. Good night for the nonce.
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I clicked back 5 posts, and every single one of them talked exclusively about "we" or the United States. To throw in that "we aren't alone" in being violent is an gigantic understatement...there isn't a single people who isn't violent. To go on and on about how violent the United States is just shows you have an axe to grind.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Anybody O4 and down in a combat or direct support role earns their keep. Even good loggie officers earn their keep. Too many REMFers starting at O5 and up playing more politics than war games.
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Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of good Os. The problem is they either get weeded out or start putting career politics ahead of their men somewhere around the move from O-4 to O-5. You can also be the biggest REMF to ever wear the uniform and still be a good officer.
 
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hog88 said:
Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of good Os. The problem is they either get weeded out or start putting career politics ahead of their men somewhere around the move from O-4 to O-5. You can also be the biggest REMF to ever wear the uniform and still be a good officer.
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Yes there are. And I’ve seen many on the procurement side understand their job when they are government and then move to contractor. And act accordingly in both roles. I’ve just become jaded on the overt politics we all see that seems to follow O6 and higher, especially once they are in the swamp circuit.
 
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hog88 said:
Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of good Os. The problem is they either get weeded out or start putting career politics ahead of their men somewhere around the move from O-4 to O-5. You can also be the biggest REMF to ever wear the uniform and still be a good officer.
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That’s not just a military issue..
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yes there are. And I’ve seen many on the procurement side understand their job when they are government and then move to contractor. And act accordingly in both roles. I’ve just become jaded on the overt politics we all see that seems to follow O6 and higher, especially once they are in the swamp circuit.
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When they start prioritizing career over men and mission they’re lost.
 
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