Sure..but Ukraine is of no interest to me or my nation's interest..but by saying Russia will overrun Europe is laughable.
The only reason 1/2 of America could even id Ukraine is the last 5 years of BS.
Trump impeachment, Hunter, Zelenski..sorry but not buying even if Putin made the dumbass decision. Even people on here even claiming that Putin didnt invade under Trump cause he was buddies. How ****ing dumb.
Ukraine is one corrupt nation and published for 15 years. There doesn't have to be good guys and bad guys..there can be two bad guys.
I think we'd all agree that wars are negative events - something to be avoided. That said, there are some positives that some of us see, and others discount. That's life, and we all have and are entitled to our own opinions.
You mentioned earlier that China is our enemy; I agree. I've seen China as our real enemy well before it became fashionable. The disturbing point is how counties like China become the real problems, and that gets back to not dealing with problems before they become significant problems ... because we believe it's always wrong to initiate and wage conflicts or otherwise force concessions. People correctly analyzed Russia as a post WW2 threat, and left the threat to develop - which it did. Russia helped foster China, and then the world faced two threats.
If you stick solely with conventional weapons and threats, the West has pretty much bankrupted Russia, and then bankrolled China into a more serious threat ... ironically through commerce - a silly, stupid blunder you can attribute to corporate and political "leaders". Ironically we can believe in preventive and predictive measures in many fields such as industry and health, but it's absolutely a verboten topic with respect to military matters.
As far as Ukrainian corruption, it was a way of life under the Soviet system, and any ex-Soviet participant was tainted. That doesn't mean permanence. Could be that Ukrainian support by the US and European nations can change that - alliances in time of need do change people. We'll see. I see Ukrainian support as being a positive in several ways; they've been pointed out repeatedly, and some of you reject them. We don't have to agree on everything, and ironically on this matter some of us (including me) wind up disagreeing with people we normally side with on political matters.
I think you and several others disagree from a cost standpoint; that's fine. I happen to think conservatism is dead, and we would simply waste what we are spending on Ukraine in different ways and accomplish less with the spending. I tend to see one aspect of supporting Ukraine as a down payment toward neutralizing Russia - almost 80 years too late and without real thought, but the blind squirrel stumbles across an acorn from time to time.
