War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then post a link to a source of news reporting which supports what you're talking about. You and @DonjoVol are just bull $hitting in the breeze, and floating around in it.

Pay attention to that last sentence. They knew that Russia wasn't a threat to its neighbors or had any expansionist objectives.

Extending Russia: Competing for Advantageous Ground

Most of the steps covered in this report are in some sense escalatory, and most would likely prompt some Russian counter-escalation. Some of these policies, however, also might prompt adverse reactions from other U.S. adversaries — most notably, China — that could, in turn, stress the United States. Ultimately, this report concludes that the most attractive U.S. policy options to extend Russia — with the greatest benefits, highest likelihood of success, and least risk — are in the economic domain, featuring a combination of boosting U.S. energy production and sanctions, providing the latter are multilateral. In contrast, geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself and ideological measures to undermine the regime's stability carry significant risks. Finally, many military options — including force posture changes and development of new capabilities — could enhance U.S. deterrence and reassure U.S. allies, but only a few are likely to extend Russia, as Moscow is not seeking parity with the United States in most domains.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In the long run it could end up driving Germany closer to Russia.

They had a window of opportunity for that, but I think it is either closed or soon to be closed. The leadership in Germany is so pathetic right now.

Speaking of leadership, one of the things that occurred to me after this tank debacle is that the US would not have been able to drag the Europeans along if they didn't have weak, compliant leaders in Europe (outside of Orban in Hungary). And that makes me wonder if the US had a hand in getting these people elected and put in power no different than what they did here with Biden. And even more, The Duran had mentioned a few days ago how huge the failed regime change operation was in Belarus. Had the US been able to get Lukashenko out of power, Russia would be in big trouble from The Baltics to The Black Sea.

 

[LouderVol]

Just because Twitter slapped that label on his page doesn't mean it's true. Plus you have people on here sharing news from Kiev Independent and Ukrinform which are Ukrainian state approved media outlets.

Now if you disagree with what Galloway is saying please let us know. Attack the message and not the messenger.

Denounces attacking the messenger while attacking the messenger. Classic double standard from the totally neutral.

 

[LouderVol]

Once again. Attack the message and not the messenger.

And as long as you and your crew are sharing Ukrainian approved state media then it's more than okay to share anything Galloway has to say.

You asked him about the label. He backed it up. Why challenge him and then get reactive when he responds?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Pay attention to that last sentence. They knew that Russia wasn't a threat to its neighbors or had any expansionist objectives.

Extending Russia: Competing for Advantageous Ground

Most of the steps covered in this report are in some sense escalatory, and most would likely prompt some Russian counter-escalation. Some of these policies, however, also might prompt adverse reactions from other U.S. adversaries — most notably, China — that could, in turn, stress the United States. Ultimately, this report concludes that the most attractive U.S. policy options to extend Russia — with the greatest benefits, highest likelihood of success, and least risk — are in the economic domain, featuring a combination of boosting U.S. energy production and sanctions, providing the latter are multilateral. In contrast, geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself and ideological measures to undermine the regime's stability carry significant risks. Finally, many military options — including force posture changes and development of new capabilities — could enhance U.S. deterrence and reassure U.S. allies, but only a few are likely to extend Russia, as Moscow is not seeking parity with the United States in most domains.

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Framing this analysis of American foreign policy, which is in some cases only prospective, from the RAND corporation as being proof that the United States is responsible for initiating aggression in the Ukraine is a stretch at best, and rather ridiculous at worst. Moscow may not have been seeking parity with the US in most domains ... but they certainly have posed a threat to the Ukraine, for as long as Putin has been in power.

Vladimir Putin once referred to the collapse of the Soviet Union as the "greatest geopolitical disaster of the century." His stance towards the independence of the Ukraine has always been clear.

 

[LouderVol]

I noticed an interesting thing about Russia's Wagner Group. The stylized "W" looks like a subtle attempt at cross between a swastika - that little extra wing on the upright - and SS runes. Then I saw these other things. The look suspicious - like maybe Russia has it's own Nazis. You've got the official logo with the four arms radiating from the center, the death's head with four arms and cross bars, and then the outright sawblade swastika.

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Eh skulls get used everywhere. And I am pretty sure I have seen the last, pinwheel, motif in previous, notNazi, eastern symbolism.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Just what I figured. The Kyiv regime will be defeated by the time these alleged tanks arrive from the US. Meanwhile, the Germans allowed themselves to get played again.

Your takes are flatly ridiculous. Why are you pushing Russian propaganda so aggressively on here? It's weird.

 

[DonjoVol]

You asked him about the label. He backed it up. Why challenge him and then get reactive when he responds?

He didn't back it up lol. A label from Twitter isn't a reliable source. If he wanted to back up the label he could have provided us what was actually said in the video that was "Russian propaganda" and why. Which he failed to do.

 

[DonjoVol]

Denounces attacking the messenger while attacking the messenger. Classic double standard from the totally neutral.

Not a double standard at all. If anything from here on out is "Russian propaganda " like you all claim then you should have no problem pointing out the minute and second mark in the video and not only explaining but also providing proof as to why it is.

Someone not parroting, repeating what you believe in or that doesn't repeat mainstream media taking points does not make it propaganda.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

First Guns, Now Tanks, Then What? - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...rms-race-as-ukraine-pushes-for-missiles-jets/

Zelenskiy: Ukraine needs more weapons, faster

Some Western Backers of Ukraine Worry That Time Might Be on Russia’s Side

Submarines???

Ukraine reportedly interested by German Type 212A submarine

 

[DonjoVol]

LOL. Right ... you and your buddy are basically just Putin sack-riding shills.

So you can't actually answer the question and provide proof that something is actually "Russian propaganda". It's simply another smear tactic being employed and way to dismiss anything that does not fit your narrative. Got it

Plus it's hard to take you guys seriously when you respond the way you do.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Vladimir Putin once referred to the collapse of the Soviet Union as the "greatest geopolitical disaster of the century." His stance towards the independence of the Ukraine has always been clear.

Do you know the context as to why he said that? It was because when the USSR broke up, you had all of these ethnic Russians that ended up scattered all over in different countries at the snap of the finger.

"The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the century," Putin said. "For the Russian people, it became a real drama. Tens of millions of our citizens and countrymen found themselves outside Russian territory. The epidemic of disintegration also spread to Russia itself."

 

[DonjoVol]

Submarines???

Ukraine reportedly interested by German Type 212A submarine

Lol. Yeah I saw this one the other day too. I'm not even sure if there Navy, which is very small, has any submarines.

 

[evillawyer]

Still baffles me that they can see this, but we still have a core of Putinistas on here who believe America should be more like Russia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Vladimir Putin once referred to the collapse of the Soviet Union as the "greatest geopolitical disaster of the century." His stance towards the independence of the Ukraine has always been clear.

If that were true, he would have jumped at the opportunity to annex the Donbas republics in 2014 when they had their first set of referenda.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Do you know the context as to why he said that? It was because when the USSR broke up, you had all of these ethnic Russians that ended up scattered all over in different countries at the snap of the finger.

By his use of the term "geopolitical", Putin clearly had the loss of Russian political influence in mind when he made his statement.

 

[BowlBrother85]

If that were true, he would have jumped at the opportunity to annex the Donbas republics in 2014 when they had their first set of referenda.

No .... not necessarily at all.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Picking between Russia and Ukraine is like choosing between Joy Behar or Rosie O Donnell to have sex .

You're the loser either way.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Still baffles me that they can see this, but we still have a core of Putinistas on here who believe America should be more like Russia.

America is already like Russia if this is the example you are going to use.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Picking between Russia and Ukraine is like choosing between Joy Behar or Rosie O Donnell to have sex .

You're the loser either way.

No, there is a right choice ... and it's not Putin.

 

[BowlBrother85]

America is already like Russia if this is the example you are going to use.

You are ridiculous ...

 

[LouderVol]

To the last drop of Ukrainian blood... Not for sure if this is true or not, but these are some crazy numbers.

So quick to drop that 100k number you were using like 2 weeks ago. What happened? Russia suddenly double up their kill total?

 

[DonjoVol]

You are ridiculous ...

Not ridiculous at all. Especially considering that people in this country thought it was okay for businesses to discriminate against people based on medical status. What he posted is a prefect example of tyranny here in the U.S. and is everything that you accuse Putin of doing.

 

[LouderVol]

Putin isnt king of the Russians. He is president of the citizens of Russia. They arent his people.

As you have made note of, Ukraine is also made up of ethnic Poles, and Hungarians as well as some Baltic States. Putin has undoubtedly killed some of those . Do those countries have a casi bellum to attack Russia?

I mean I know you are going to say no because you are inconsistent AF. But I want to see you admit yet again you dont hold a consistent argument.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Not ridiculous at all. Especially considering that people in this country thought it was okay for businesses to discriminate against people based on medical status. What he posted is a prefect example of tyranny here in the U.S. and is everything that you accuse Putin of doing.

No ... Putin is credibly accused of far more than that. The state-sponsored murder of homosexuals, journalists who are critical of him and political dissidents - even including those who have previously served in the Russian military. It is disgusting to read your tripe.