War in Ukraine

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NorthDallas40 said:
Regardless of any improvements they might have made it was a direct ripoff of the US design concept.
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I do agree with that. IIRC, the only reason they designed it to begin with was because they thought our Space Shuttle was some kind of weapon. Once they figured out that it wasn't, they abandoned the Buran program pretty quickly. It only got one test flight, and it was successful. One of the cool things about it was that it could fly and land autonomously without any human input or astronauts on board.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I do agree with that. IIRC, the only reason they designed it to begin with was because they thought our Space Shuttle was some kind of weapon. Once they figured out that it wasn't, they abandoned the Buran program pretty quickly. It only got one test flight, and it was successful. One of the cool things about it was that it could fly and land autonomously without any human input or astronauts on board.
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The theft of any design data the KGB could get their hands on has been documented in multiple stories. After their Soyuz disaster I’d guess they wanted to start from a proven design. I’ll guess their cosmonauts appreciated the effort.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now when did I say that? When did I ever allude to that? Are you just mad that I'm countering your anti-Russo nonsense with the parallel comparison (or worse) that the US has done?
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You are the one saying we've invaded almost every country on earth for criminal reasons and nobody else except Israel, the Saudis, maybe the Brits, and on occasion the Germans get in on the act. Funny that Russia (while Soviets at times) is faultless.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yeah we have our grift problems. All western countries do. And Ukraine had some BIG corruption problems and have a long way to go before they’re as skillful as our guys at hiding it. But that is no reason to just let them get over run by the trash of Europe because they’re bigger. Especially since we signed a document saying we’d help if the need arose and it did. And for once we’re backing a country willing to fight for their right to exist.

But it isn’t a blank check and we’ve allocated way too much money too fast. I saw the current money spent last week was $27B but I believe we’ve committed close to $50 or $60B? More than plenty for now.
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I think there's some double accounting or misreporting going on. For instance the thing about biden releasing a couple of billion from a fund. That sounds a lot like it was covered earlier in one of the packages that congress passed since we know presidents can't spend money out of thin air ... at least unless there are double standards depending on the president's brand.
 
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AM64 said:
You are the one saying we've invaded almost every country on earth for criminal reasons and nobody else except Israel, the Saudis, maybe the Brits, and on occasion the Germans get in on the act. Funny that Russia (while Soviets at times) is faultless.
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Again, where do you get this nonsense? I've said plenty of times the USSR was one of the most dangerous entities along with Mao's China of all times. I don't think that can be disputed.

The issue is that when you all scream bloody murder about something Russia, Iran, China, etc does, I can always come back with a similar example of something the US/NATO has done post-WWII that doesn't get the same level of outrage.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, where do you get this nonsense? I've said plenty of times the USSR was one of the most dangerous entities along with Mao's China of all times. I don't think that can be disputed.

The issue is that when you all scream bloody murder about something Russia, Iran, China, etc does, I can always come back with a similar example of something the US/NATO has done post-WWII that doesn't get the same level of outrage.
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It doesn't get the same level of outrage because many of them you're debating honestly believe the U.S., NATO, and even Israel can do whatever they want. Plus when you bring up facts they can't debate them and they know it. That is why they utilize tactics like "whataboutism" and smears such as "Russian propaganda", "Putin stooge", etc.
 
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DonjoVol said:
It doesn't get the same level of outrage because many of them you're debating honestly believe the U.S., NATO, and even Israel can do whatever they want. Plus when you bring up facts they can't debate them and they know it. That is why they utilize tactics like "whataboutism" and smears such as "Russian propaganda", "Putin stooge", etc.
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No one has stated that the US is perfect and free from criticism. But, using the bad behavior of the US as justification for what Russia is doing in Ukraine is asinine. If you and your boys can just focus on the now without speculating on irrelevant (to the current conflict) events in the past, you’ll be taken much more seriously.
 
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MG1968 said:
No one has stated that the US is perfect and free from criticism. But, using the bad behavior of the US as justification for what Russia is doing in Ukraine is asinine. If you and your boys can just focus on the now without speculating on irrelevant (to the current conflict) events in the past, you’ll be taken much more seriously.
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I honestly don't care if you and others take me seriously. If I'm not repeating what some hear on the news then it doesn't matter anyways.

And if you all would start addressing the messages being shared instead of smears on people's character then maybe you all might be taken more seriously.

Many of us are focused on the now and many people don't support the endless war machine and don't want any more money wasted in Ukraine. It's between Ukraine and Russia. Let them figure it out.
 
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AM64 said:
I think there's some double accounting or misreporting going on. For instance the thing about biden releasing a couple of billion from a fund. That sounds a lot like it was covered earlier in one of the packages that congress passed since we know presidents can't spend money out of thin air ... at least unless there are double standards depending on the president's brand.
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It is. Only Congress can commit monies. They establish the bucket(s) of money. Then they are incrementally spent by the admin and the DoD. That’s another reason to slow this down. Money only flows one way, out. No money is ever returned for any circumstance our polits aren’t mentally capable of that.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I honestly don't care if you and others take me seriously. If I'm not repeating what some hear on the news then it doesn't matter anyways.

And if you all would start addressing the messages being shared instead of smears on people's character then maybe you all might be taken more seriously.

Many of us are focused on the now and many people don't support the endless war machine and don't want any more money wasted in Ukraine. It's between Ukraine and Russia. Let them figure it out.
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Boy you sure play the victim a whole bunch telling us all how much you’re wronged for voicing your truths to try and pass off that you don’t really care Curly 🤡
 
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MG1968 said:
No one has stated that the US is perfect and free from criticism. But, using the bad behavior of the US as justification for what Russia is doing in Ukraine is asinine. If you and your boys can just focus on the now without speculating on irrelevant (to the current conflict) events in the past, you’ll be taken much more seriously.
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US troops in Syria is now.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I honestly don't care if you and others take me seriously. If I'm not repeating what some hear on the news then it doesn't matter anyways.

And if you all would start addressing the messages being shared instead of smears on people's character then maybe you all might be taken more seriously.

Many of us are focused on the now and many people don't support the endless war machine and don't want any more money wasted in Ukraine. It's between Ukraine and Russia. Let them figure it out.
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I said early on that this was Europe’s problem to resolve. What I didn’t do was use imaginary US intervention in Ukraine’s political system as justification for Russian aggression.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, the US did bomb civilian targets over the past decade. re you gaslighting?
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The US hit civilian targets inadvertently. Notably the AC-130 strike on the hospital and the Reaper strike on the aid worker in Afghan pullout. They did not TARGET civilians routinely and constantly like your invading buddies. Yes it’s a difference with meaningful distinction.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lets assume that is correct. You know how you avoid that? Stop invading countries halfway around the world that serve no purpose or are not a strategic threat to America.
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Oh bull ****. We see strikes every day from Ukraine where your idiot buddies are killing civilians and actively targeting them. Daily. That’s a war crime by the way. So be sure and include your homies in your protest speech here Moe.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh bull ****. We see strikes every day from Ukraine where your idiot buddies are killing civilians and actively targeting them. Daily. So be sure and include your homies in your protest speech here Moe.
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I'm sure the Russians likely have "inadvertently" killed some civilians. But I do not believe they are targeting civilians. The difference is that when/if it is from Russia, it is a war crime. When the US/NATO does it, it is collateral damage.
 
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“is a clear violation of our sovereignty as well as international law.”

So to be clear, flying a balloon is a bad thing? I want to make sure we get a complete understanding of what a violation of sovereignty and violation of international law looks like. Because I'm pretty sure I can easily come up with far more things that are more concerning or dangerous than a balloon...
 
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