War in Ukraine

[USF grad in TN]

Meanwhile, Zelensky is refusing to pull troops out of Bakhmut until Joe Biden delivers a speach. So basically throwing Ukrainian lives away for a Biden PR stunt.

I'm not buying it. If you said he doesn't want to give Putin a victory before his annual address to the federal assembly in a couple of days because of the potential effect on Russian moral and Putin's political standing, I might buy it.

 

[Burhead]

 

[Orangeburst]

I was always curious about these monsters

 

[tvolsfan]

It is one of several reasons. The Nazi influence, the attacks on the people of Donbas and other non-Ukrainian minorities, the training and arming of the army by NATO.

Don’t forget gay biolabs or whatever that was.

 

[tvolsfan]

Too much hair for Putin.

 

[evillawyer]

Dark Putin bringing the heat against Charlie Kirk

 

[Burhead]

Dark Putin bringing the heat against Charlie Kirk

Its always someone else that should give up their land for peace. I hope that if the US were ever in the position of Ukraine we would not give up an inch of our homeland to an invader for the sake of peace.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There would be no attacks in Donbas if the Russians didn't foment separatism in the first place.

The Russians didn't foment separatism. The US coup that overthrew the govt that they mostly supported made them naturally feel alienated. Look at how alienated the MAGA crowd is after 2020.

Stolen elections have consequences.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Wait, the Donbas was wanting autonomy after the stolen election/coup and the Kyiv regime attacked them. Your little cartoon is flawed.

 

[BeardedVol]

The Russians didn't foment separatism. The US coup that overthrew the govt that they mostly supported made them naturally feel alienated. Look at how alienated the MAGA crowd is after 2020.

Stolen elections have consequences.

Calling an event a "coup" doesn't make it a coup.

Coup d’etat | Definition, Examples, & Facts

Reality:
Yanukovich impeached

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not buying it. If you said he doesn't want to give Putin a victory before his annual address to the federal assembly in a couple of days because of the potential effect on Russian moral and Putin's political standing, I might buy it.

OK, lets roll with that. It would still be throwing away lives for the sake of PR.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not buying it. If you said he doesn't want to give Putin a victory before his annual address to the federal assembly in a couple of days because of the potential effect on Russian moral and Putin's political standing, I might buy it.

Also, you act as though Bakhmut hasn't been politicized before.

 

[Burhead]

Wait, the Donbas was wanting autonomy after the stolen election/coup and the Kyiv regime attacked them. Your little cartoon is flawed.

There is always consequences for rebellion.

 

[USF grad in TN]

Also, you act as though Bakhmut hasn't been politicized before.

PR has gotten him equipment including defensive systems that save his people's lives.

 

[evillawyer]

Wait, the Donbas was wanting autonomy after the stolen election/coup and the Kyiv regime attacked them. Your little cartoon is flawed.

So your view is that if some portion of entity X (city, state, area, county, etc) wants to secede from the nation, then they have that right? If so, what "X" has that right (city, state, area, county, etc)? Is it done on a winner takes all basis? Does it have to be a supermajority? Does the nation itself and its citizens who don't reside in X have any say? If not, why not?

On a less theoretical basis, do you know how secession works under Ukrainian law?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There is always consequences for rebellion.

The state of Ukraine after that coup dissolved. There was no rebellion. Ukraine became a vassal state of the US. The people in Donbas had every right at that point to remove themselves from the grip of Kyiv.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So your view is that if some portion of entity X (city, state, area, county, etc) wants to secede from the nation, then they have that right?

If it was OK for Kosovo, why not Donbas?

 

[Burhead]

The state of Ukraine after that coup dissolved. There was no rebellion. Ukraine became a vassal state of the US. The people in Donbas had every right at that point to remove themselves from the grip of Kyiv.

There was no coup either.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The Russians didn't foment separatism. The US coup that overthrew the govt that they mostly supported made them naturally feel alienated. Look at how alienated the MAGA crowd is after 2020.

Stolen elections have consequences.

The coup never happened. More bald dwarf fabrication. Just like the “separatists” Girkin created when he was at the beach head of the invasion in 2014.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There was no coup either.

There was no coup? Then how did Yanukovich lose power?

 

[NorthDallas40]

There was no coup? Then how did Yanukovich lose power?

He was impeached by the parliament which is within their constitutional powers.

And this to be about the 500th time that was pointed out to you.

 

[BeardedVol]

There was no coup? Then how did Yanukovich lose power?

He abandoned the presidency, absconded to Russia, and was subsequently removed from office in a 328-0 vote in the Rada.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So your view is that if some portion of entity X (city, state, area, county, etc) wants to secede from the nation, then they have that right? If so, what "X" has that right (city, state, area, county, etc)? Is it done on a winner takes all basis? Does it have to be a supermajority? Does the nation itself and its citizens who don't reside in X have any say? If not, why not?

Golan Heights?
NE Cypress?
NE Syria?

On a less theoretical basis, do you know how secession works under Ukrainian law?

It doesn't matter because the legitimate govt was overthrown, thus making the new regime null and void.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It doesn't matter because the legitimate govt was overthrown, thus making the new regime null and void.

A simple “no” would have sufficed.

 

[volfanhill]

Golan Heights?
NE Cypress?
NE Syria?


It doesn't matter because the legitimate govt was overthrown, thus making the new regime null and void.

Incorrect