War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Maybe we can agree on this, the least threatened party in all of this is the US.
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Yeah but look at such a great return we are getting for this massive investment into a war. 200 billion plus and we are not seeing a de-escalation of this thing. The US showed its resolve under this administration with its weak pull out of Afghanistan.
 
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illumiVOLi said:
Yeah but look at such a great return we are getting for this massive investment into a war. 200 billion plus and we are not seeing a de-escalation of this thing. The US showed its resolve under this administration with its weak pull out of Afghanistan.
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So that’s another time this “$200B” has come up. While we have spent a great deal pretty quick can you provide a link to the breakdown of that $200B?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So that’s another time this “$200B” has come up. While we have spent a great deal pretty quick can you provide a link to the breakdown of that $200B?
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1 billion or 200 billion it doesn’t matter we still sent entirely too much for a problem that’s not ours.
 
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Burhead said:
Clearly you didn't bother reading the Minsk II agreement. The cease fire was supposed to start on 2/15 and the DNR/LNR kept fighting up until the 20th claiming Debaltseve wasn't apart of the agreement.
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And again, why would they be fighting if the Kyiv regime would have just withdrawn? Why were they still there?
 
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Burhead said:
It is going to blow their mind when they find out Russian Ukrainians are fighting against Russia.
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You mean it is almost like it is a civil war in certain aspects? I really find that claim to be amazing when it is a fight amongst bordering countries and people that share over 1000 years of shared history.
 
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Velo Vol said:
That's what they said in the 1930s.
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Displaying your ignorance of history again. In the 1930s all war material sent to allied waring countries had to be purchased cash on the barrel head and transported by purchasing country. Then in 1941 the lend lease act was passed so we were selling war material on credit to allied nations.
 
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hog88 said:
Displaying your ignorance of history again. In the 1930s all war material sent to allied waring countries had to be purchased cash on the barrel head and transported by purchasing country. Then in 1941 the lend lease act was passed so we were selling war material on credit to allied nations.
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There were plenty of people saying Europe's problems are not our concern.
 
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hog88 said:
Displaying your ignorance of history again. In the 1930s all war material sent to allied waring countries had to be purchased cash on the barrel head and transported by purchasing country. Then in 1941 the lend lease act was passed so we were selling war material on credit to allied nations.
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So you are fine with lend-lease for the UK in WWII, which took them till 2006 to fully repay, but are against lend-lease for Ukraine for what reason(s) exactly?
Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 - Wikipedia
 
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The only viable option NATO/The US has of defeating Russia is with nuclear weapons (which would be a loss for mankind). It is quite obvious by now that the combined efforts of the 30 member countries (US, UK, Germany and France) cannot gather up the men or material after 8+ years of fighting Russia. All of this nonsense we were hearing over the past year about Russia running out of ammo was pure projection. It is NATO that we are finding out that is running out of ammo, tanks, planes, air defense systems, etc...

You had Josep Borrels running his d**ksucker this weekend talking about we need to ramp up production and send weapons and ammo within weeks, not months, being fully ignorant of the fact that you can't just turn on industrial production at the flip of a switch... at least not in 2023 NATO. The skilled workers are not there. The factories and machines are not there. And these Europeans (and the US to an extent) don't have the money to ramp up production.

But one thing that did pop in my head thinking about what tricks they have left to ramp up production of ammo is for Joe Biden to find away to make all arms and ammo manufacturers in this country move directly to supplying NATO and stop (temporarily) the production to source commercial/consumer products. What would that do to the price of ammo and supplies here at home? That kills two birds with one stone. He can disarm Americans and arm Ukrainians.

Better stock up on your 5.56 and 7.62X39....
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The only viable option NATO/The US has of defeating Russia is with nuclear weapons (which would be a loss for mankind). It is quite obvious by now that the combined efforts of the 30 member countries (US, UK, Germany and France) cannot gather up the men or material after 8+ years of fighting Russia. All of this nonsense we were hearing over the past year about Russia running out of ammo was pure projection. It is NATO that we are finding out that is running out of ammo, tanks, planes, air defense systems, etc...

You had Josep Borrels running his d**ksucker this weekend talking about we need to ramp up production and send weapons and ammo within weeks, not months, being fully ignorant of the fact that you can't just turn on industrial production at the flip of a switch... at least not in 2023 NATO. The skilled workers are not there. The factories and machines are not there. And these Europeans (and the US to an extent) don't have the money to ramp up production.

But one thing that did pop in my head thinking about what tricks they have left to ramp up production of ammo is for Joe Biden to find away to make all arms and ammo manufacturers in this country move directly to supplying NATO and stop (temporarily) the production to source commercial/consumer products. What would that do to the price of ammo and supplies here at home? That kills two birds with one stone. He can disarm Americans and arm Ukrainians.

Better stock up on your 5.56 and 7.62X39....
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