War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Sorry, I dont trust western propaganda. Russia went in as softly as possible and has tried to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible. They have probably gone further to minimize civilian casualties than the US did in their Iraq invasion. Have civilians been killed? Of course, it's war, but spare me the narrative.
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Lol "minimize civilian casualties"?

I can't tell if you suffer from genuine mental illness or not.

The alternative is that public education has failed you on a level not seen prior in the modern world.

Russian attacks on civilian targets in Ukraine could be a war crime: UN rights office
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
I was just stating in general. I mean yeah we are in this for our own gain as well. There’s many right answers and sides to this. I bet you the rest of Europe loves the fact we are helping Ukraine. Cuz they know that they might be next.
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Mainstream western, state backed media isn't telling you the truth. Many Europeans are against this war. It's mostly the political class and their religious followers that are for it.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Mainstream western, state backed media isn't telling you the truth. Many Europeans are against this war. It's mostly the political class and their religious followers that are for it.
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I remember reading early in this conflict about European citizens pushing their leaders to step up and help Ukraine.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Once again you failed to understand basic English and lack basic reading comprehension skills.

First of all anyone is socialist that would be you considering you support all the Democrat politicians at the national level in sending weapons and aid to your fellow socialists in Ukraine. And not just any type of socialists are you in support of sending weapons to. But this time you're in support of sending them to National Socialists over in Ukraine. And to top it all off you have stated multiple times how you are for censorship of media or anything you consider "propaganda". Nothing you support about this conflict is Libertarian in any way.

I never said anything about forcing anyone to do anything when it comes to paying higher wages. If you knew how to actually read you would learn this. You simply lost another debate and were proven wrong on a topic and resort to messenger attacks as always. I said people should be paid higher wages for their labor and should be up to the businesses and corporations to do this. This could be done without government and union involvement. What you didn't like is me simply saying people should be paid higher wages for their labor. People also have every right to try and negotiate a higher wage for themselves. Which I'm sure is something just about every one in this thread has done at one time in their career.

And yes Gary Johnson was a joke which is why he lost and has been even more irrelevant ever since. He was also a Republican many years before that and him and Bill Weld tried to jump on the Libertarian train for a bit in an attempt to stay relevant. They failed.

Johnson was also for mandatory vaccinations which is also against basic Libertarian principles.
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Didn’t even read it. I explained exactly what happened. One day perhaps you will acquire the intelligence to understand it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Let's look at all that Russian "success"

Hungarian Revolution: killed a whole bunch of unarmed peasants. No military fight.
Invasion of Czechslovkia: took all of the Warsaw Pact to take down a nation Hitler was able to take peacefully, some more dead civilians. No military fight.
Afghanistan: just as big of a disaster as our attempt.
Ossetia: not resolved.
Transnistria: not resolved, not even formally recognized by Russia.
Nagorno: Russia had to default on their defensive alliance, CSTO, with Armenia because they couldnt afford to garrison the same 1500 troops against the world power of, checks notes, Azerbaijan. Not resolved, and reaching a boiling point again.
Syria: not resolved, still a mess.
Donbas, 9 years in and still dont even fully control the area.

Not sure why anyone should fear Russia's might when they cant even resolve military matters against countries a 1/10th the size of Ukraine.

Russia's only success has been in putting down unarmed people, which is why you guys are pissed that Ukraine is fighting back.
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I did forget the successes in Chechnya. All that took is a bunch of dead civilians, and paying off the son of the guy kicking your butt to lead a coup against the father, and joining your side.
 
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volgr said:
Who is the rape victim (which is a terrible analogy)? Ukraine via Russia, Ukraine via the Western Death Cult or Russia via the Western Death Cult? Depends on how you look at it.
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Ukraine is the rape victim of Russia. Who is willing to fight back.

At worst Ukraine and the west is the willing whore who left her abusive pimp for a new pimp actually willing to pay and protect her.

And considering nothing has gone down between the west and Russia that's some weird girl stalking the guy she wants, that attacks any woman the boy talks to because she imagines he is cheating on her or something. You can play that situation as either party being the guy.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Mainstream western, state backed media isn't telling you the truth. Many Europeans are against this war. It's mostly the political class and their religious followers that are for it.
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Uh yeah man most are against this war and war in general. But what we have is a war and most countries close to Russia are asking for Americas help. I believe two countries just asked if we’d put bases in their country so they don’t get invaded.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Uh yeah man most are against this war and war in general. But what we have is a war and most countries close to Russia are asking for Americas help. I believe two countries just asked if we’d put bases in their country so they don’t get invaded.
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It's the political and elite class in those countries asking for help and we have been meddling in Ukraine heavily since around 2012. Stop lying.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And never said everyone shares my views nor do I expect them to. And thankfully not everyone shares your views.

I find it rather strange you all do not want peace between Pakistan and India. It would be beneficial to both countries and the rest of the world if the two countries were actually allies.

You really need to stop living in the 1980s.
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Where did I say what I wanted? This is you making you crap again.

You think they should be allies, just because, no reason given. I was giving you all the reasons they arent. Heck that's not all of the reasons.
 
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