War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Interesting

WSJ News Exclusive | NATO’s Biggest European Members Float Defense Pact With Ukraine

But the public rhetoric masks deepening private doubts among politicians in the U.K., France and Germany that Ukraine will be able to expel the Russians from eastern Ukraine and Crimea, which Russia has controlled since 2014, and a belief that the West can only help sustain the war effort for so long, especially if the conflict settles into a stalemate, officials from the three countries say.

“We keep repeating that Russia mustn’t win, but what does that mean? If the war goes on for long enough with this intensity, Ukraine’s losses will become unbearable,” a senior French official said. “And no one believes they will be able to retrieve Crimea.”

Such talk contrasts sharply with public comments this week by President Biden and other Western leaders, who called for unity in the face of what they termed Russian aggression. None mentioned the prospect of Kyiv opening talks with Moscow in the near future.

Holy cow. An actual binding mutual defense pact is terrifying to consider within the time of the current ongoing conflict.

 

[TheDeeble]

Interesting

WSJ News Exclusive | NATO’s Biggest European Members Float Defense Pact With Ukraine

But the public rhetoric masks deepening private doubts among politicians in the U.K., France and Germany that Ukraine will be able to expel the Russians from eastern Ukraine and Crimea, which Russia has controlled since 2014, and a belief that the West can only help sustain the war effort for so long, especially if the conflict settles into a stalemate, officials from the three countries say.

“We keep repeating that Russia mustn’t win, but what does that mean? If the war goes on for long enough with this intensity, Ukraine’s losses will become unbearable,” a senior French official said. “And no one believes they will be able to retrieve Crimea.”

Such talk contrasts sharply with public comments this week by President Biden and other Western leaders, who called for unity in the face of what they termed Russian aggression. None mentioned the prospect of Kyiv opening talks with Moscow in the near future.

It's a valid question that I've thought about since last year when the US/Europe started pledging money/weapons to Ukraine. But it doesn't seem like there's been any discussion about that. At least not publicly.

Is there any sort of plan or goal or is it just let Ukraine fight until they no longer want to? I don't see Russia backing down and I don't think Ukraine will re-take and hold whatever territory they want. I also don't see Russia agreeing to any truce or stoppage that doesn't give them everything they want.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Initially I almost said Temple vs Buffalo, couldn't careless either way

Any true Volunteer fan should be pulling for a meteor strike on the stadium in a FLA/AL or GA/AL game.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Oh I definitely could care less. The circumstances surrounding this conflict are enough for me to care about. Especially once you see the reaction of government had.

I am generally interested in international affairs, more so than internal affairs. It's just the way I am wired after 9-11

Couldn’t*

 

[VolStrom]

Any true Volunteer fan should be pulling for a meteor strike on the stadium in a FLA/AB or GA/AB game.

Who is AB? Did you mean AU or AL?

 

[NorthDallas40]

What happens over there (Europe) has resulted in American intervention with actual combat troops in the past. Europe is one place we can not ignore and we have vital interest in maintaining the peace and security there.

I do think they should recognize it’s in their own best interest to take the lead on funding their own defense and not lean on the US NATO funding as much. That’s a valid complaint. But we have seen commitments at least in the last year to move down that path finally. Time will tell if they stick to it after this current situation is resolved.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Who is AB? Did you mean AU or AL?

Lol good catch I’ll edit. I’ve become too dependent on drop down selections to remember state abbreviations

 

[OrangeBoro]

Any true Volunteer fan should be pulling for a meteor strike on the stadium in a FLA/AL or GA/AL game.

And now we find something we can agree on

 

[TVOLS]

To the whole group, has Russia's big spring offensive actually begun? Or is there a big attack still coming?

I look at that Ukrainian war map daily and I see nothing new. You here chatter that it has already begun though.

 

[OrangeBoro]

No, I just question anyone who is so ignorant of how military aid works, that they think the US is basically flying pallets of cash to Ukraine and rolling it into Zelenky's office, giving him a wink, and walking away.
Aid to Ukraine Explained in Six Charts

Your seeming obsession with "Ukrainian corruption", is just an attempt to mask your support for Russia.

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"Support for Russia" LOL you are clown and can't be taken seriously

 

[NorthDallas40]

And now we find something we can agree on

GO BIG ORANGE!!!

 

[BeardedVol]

"Support for Russia" LOL you are clown and can't be taken seriously

You're pretty transparent. We see the same "budget deficit crocodile tears" being cried by numerous others who pretend that they are "just concerned about tax payer dollars", all the while ignoring reality, precedent, history, obligations, etc.

It's nothing new.

 

[hog88]

It's a valid question that I've thought about since last year when the US/Europe started pledging money/weapons to Ukraine. But it doesn't seem like there's been any discussion about that. At least not publicly.

Is there any sort of plan or goal or is it just let Ukraine fight until they no longer want to? I don't see Russia backing down and I don't think Ukraine will re-take and hold whatever territory they want. I also don't see Russia agreeing to any truce or stoppage that doesn't give them everything they want.

There is no plan other than bleeding the US taxpayer dry.

 

[hog88]

You're pretty transparent. We see the same "budget deficit crocodile tears" being cried by numerous others who pretend that they are "just concerned about tax payer dollars", all the while ignoring reality, precedent, history, obligations, etc.

It's nothing new.

What's the end game? How long do we continue to fund Ukraine? Do we keep this up for another year, 2 years, 5 years? What happens if the Russians break through and take Ukraine? I think our government owes us these answers?

 

[LouderVol]

Couldn’t*

No. I actually could care less. I do care a little. But it's more about the circumstances than the individuals involved.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No. I actually could care less. I do care a little. But it's more about the circumstances than the individuals involved.

Fair enough. And a funny clarification too

 

[LouderVol]

I look at that Ukrainian war map daily and I see nothing new. You here chatter that it has already begun though.

Same. Seems like consistent attacks on a town south of Bakhmut, begins with a V. But havent seen much else.

 

[evillawyer]

It could happen to anybody. These damn spontaneously appearing tattoos.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Same. Seems like consistent attacks on a town south of Bakhmut, begins with a V. But havent seen much else.

Vuhledar

 

[NorthDallas40]

It could happen to anybody. These damn spontaneously appearing tattoos.

That’s obviously an Azov turn coat whom had seen the light to the righteous Russian liberation efforts - all rezident stooges

 

[Volsdeep4]

We have huge stockpiles just like Russia. We have multiple caches stored strategically around the globe. There was discussion recently to start drawing down the cache in Israel to assist short term in Ukraine. I’d infer most talk of ramping up production is to backfill those caches.

Eh, Israel might be needing that right about now

 

[BeardedVol]

What's the end game? How long do we continue to fund Ukraine? Do we keep this up for another year, 2 years, 5 years? What happens if the Russians break through and take Ukraine? I think our government owes us these answers?

Why does that have to be decided right at this moment? Ukraine is still willing to fight to defend their country, the EU is still willing to send them aid, and Russia's economy is being crushed by sanctions.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Eh, Israel might be needing that right about now

On that particular cache it was pointed out they could draw on it as needed also.

 

[illumiVOLi]

Stated much nicer than I have the patience for anymore.

Geez. You could say the same about the southern border but where is uncle Joe on that one? How many American lives have died from fentanyl vs the war in Ukraine. You got patience for that NDallas?

 

[MG1968]

That's because I never said anything like that.

Your Buddy @Rasputin_Vol sure seemed convinced that this winter would be Europe’s last. He doesn’t possess the integrity to admit his calculation in that regard was completely wrong.