War in Ukraine

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#61,157
BeardedVol said:
Ok so show me this money trail, and explain how it works.
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depends on your "money trail" definition. But we know Biden's son was a board member on a Ukrainian company. We know that Biden withheld aid from Ukraine, back under Obama, until an investigation into that particular company for some type of money crime, fraud I believe, ended. The investigation did end, the investigator was fired, and the aid was delivered. It was very much a case of quid pro quo.

For what it's worth Biden wasnt the only US politician with a child in a posistion in Ukraine they probably didnt deserve. And it wasnt just a Democrat issue.
 
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LouderVol said:
depends on your "money trail" definition. But we know Biden's son was a board member on a Ukrainian company. We know that Biden withheld aid from Ukraine, back under Obama, until an investigation into that particular company for some type of money crime, fraud I believe, ended. The investigation did end, the investigator was fired, and the aid was delivered. It was very much a case of quid pro quo.

For what it's worth Biden wasnt the only US politician with a child in a posistion in Ukraine they probably didnt deserve. And it wasnt just a Democrat issue.
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You're essentially parroting Trump/Giuliani's nonsense claims that were refuted by Shokin's own deputies: Ukraine Ex-Official Casts Doubt on Biden Conflict Claim , a claim they made while trying to convince Zelensky to open a new investigation into Biden Trump asked Ukraine president in phone call ‘if you can look into’ Biden and his son , for what I'm sure were reasons of pure altruistic love for justice. A claim that was eventually investigated after an appeal by Shokin himself, which was subsequently dismissed for lack of evidence: Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor. It should also be noted that prior to Joe Biden ever becoming involved in calling for Shokin to be replaced, that both EU and IMF officials, and other US politicians had already called for Shokin's firing: Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden

But sure, let's pretend like none of that happened, and just take the claim at face value.

Which defense contractor(s) does/did Hunter Biden have ties to with current contracts, supply Ukraine with aid, of which he could effectively steer federal funds to?

Which defense contractor employees have been accused of fraud or malfeasance in redirecting DoD funds meant for the supply of arms to Ukraine, to Hunter Biden, Biden family members, or associates?

Every single politician has conflicts of interest, but until you can manifest some sort of evidence that this fraud occurred or is occurring, it's just boils down to partisan politics and confirmation bias.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You're essentially parroting Trump/Giuliani's nonsense claims that were refuted by Shokin's own deputies: Ukraine Ex-Official Casts Doubt on Biden Conflict Claim , a claim they made while trying to convince Zelensky to open a new investigation into Biden Trump asked Ukraine president in phone call ‘if you can look into’ Biden and his son , for what I'm sure were reasons of pure altruistic love for justice. A claim that was eventually investigated after an appeal by Shokin himself, which was subsequently dismissed for lack of evidence: Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor. It should also be noted that prior to Joe Biden ever becoming involved in calling for Shokin to be replaced, that both EU and IMF officials, and other US politicians had already called for Shokin's firing: Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden

But sure, let's pretend like none of that happened, and just take the claim at face value.

Which defense contractor(s) does/did Hunter Biden have ties to with current contracts, supply Ukraine with aid, of which he could effectively steer federal funds to?

Which defense contractor employees have been accused of fraud or malfeasance in redirecting DoD funds meant for the supply of arms to Ukraine, to Hunter Biden, Biden family members, or associates?

Every single politician has conflicts of interest, but until you can manifest some sort of evidence that this fraud occurred or is occurring, it's just boils down to partisan politics and confirmation bias.
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Oh boy, I thought you were one of them. Now it’s confirmed.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You're essentially parroting Trump/Giuliani's nonsense claims that were refuted by Shokin's own deputies: Ukraine Ex-Official Casts Doubt on Biden Conflict Claim , a claim they made while trying to convince Zelensky to open a new investigation into Biden Trump asked Ukraine president in phone call ‘if you can look into’ Biden and his son , for what I'm sure were reasons of pure altruistic love for justice. A claim that was eventually investigated after an appeal by Shokin himself, which was subsequently dismissed for lack of evidence: Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor. It should also be noted that prior to Joe Biden ever becoming involved in calling for Shokin to be replaced, that both EU and IMF officials, and other US politicians had already called for Shokin's firing: Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden

But sure, let's pretend like none of that happened, and just take the claim at face value.

Which defense contractor(s) does/did Hunter Biden have ties to with current contracts, supply Ukraine with aid, of which he could effectively steer federal funds to?

Which defense contractor employees have been accused of fraud or malfeasance in redirecting DoD funds meant for the supply of arms to Ukraine, to Hunter Biden, Biden family members, or associates?

Every single politician has conflicts of interest, but until you can manifest some sort of evidence that this fraud occurred or is occurring, it's just boils down to partisan politics and confirmation bias.
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The entire counter argument for Biden was that he interfered after the matter was settled.

It was not refuted that he interfered by with holding aid. The only argument is that the case was cold. If that was the case why did Biden care? To battle corruption?

Which cases did the new prosecutor dig up? I will let you know that new guy wasnt the most recent guy digging out corruption. And if the argument that Biden wanted him for being ineffective, it seems like the new guy would open up those old ineffective cases and not just drop them.

I am not even sure what point you are arguing at the end:
Because there was one alledged piece of corruption that wasnt proven, after it was dropped in conclusively after being paid to drop it, that means there cant be any corruption in deals concerning billions of dollars? Or that it's not a concern?
 
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LouderVol said:
The entire counter argument for Biden was that he interfered after the matter was settled.

It was not refuted that he interfered by with holding aid. The only argument is that the case was cold. If that was the case why did Biden care? To battle corruption?

Which cases did the new prosecutor dig up? I will let you know that new guy wasnt the most recent guy digging out corruption. And if the argument that Biden wanted him for being ineffective, it seems like the new guy would open up those old ineffective cases and not just drop them.

I am not even sure what point you are arguing at the end:
Because there was one alledged piece of corruption that wasnt proven, after it was dropped in conclusively after being paid to drop it, that means there cant be any corruption in deals concerning billions of dollars? Or that it's not a concern?
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After the matter was settled? The case was cold because Yanukovych had ties to Burisma, and Shokin was not keen on prosecuting any cases tied to Yanukovych, or corruption in general it would seem.

Wanting something to be true, doesn't make it true, in the face of contravening facts.
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LouderVol said:
The entire counter argument for Biden was that he interfered after the matter was settled.

It was not refuted that he interfered by with holding aid. The only argument is that the case was cold. If that was the case why did Biden care? To battle corruption?

Which cases did the new prosecutor dig up? I will let you know that new guy wasnt the most recent guy digging out corruption. And if the argument that Biden wanted him for being ineffective, it seems like the new guy would open up those old ineffective cases and not just drop them.

I am not even sure what point you are arguing at the end:
Because there was one alledged piece of corruption that wasnt proven, after it was dropped in conclusively after being paid to drop it, that means there cant be any corruption in deals concerning billions of dollars? Or that it's not a concern?
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You’re arguing with bowlbrothers alt or little brother.
 
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Money trail?
Vindman basically spied on trump. Trump only asked for Zelensky to look into Biden’s. Hunter had a no work/profit only relationship with Ukraine business. Emails are Russian disinformation, but not really computer are real that show 10% to big guy. Trump is impeached basically by vindmans testimony. Now Ukraine has 33 installments of BILLIONS of Us money. Zelenskyy and Biden are buddies. Vindman is soliciting $$$ for his “assistance” for Ukraine. And Trump and right “wing” Americans are still lunatics and conspiracists.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Money trail?
Vindman basically spied on trump. Trump only asked for Zelensky to look into Biden’s. Hunter had a no work/profit only relationship with Ukraine business. Emails are Russian disinformation, but not really computer are real that show 10% to big guy. Trump is impeached basically by vindmans testimony. Now Ukraine has 33 installments of BILLIONS of Us money. Zelenskyy and Biden are buddies. Vindman is soliciting $$$ for his “assistance” for Ukraine. And Trump and right “wing” Americans are still lunatics and conspiracists.
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You seem to have not been paying much attention back in 2020.
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https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2020/01/16/OMBDecisionJan16.pdf
 
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volfanhill said:
If we gave them one single bullet we would be drawing down on our munitions. How is this news or surprising to you? Good lord. Let alone news worthy to anyone with an IQ above a toaster.
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No no no. We don’t stock obvious consumables that we know will be needed in large quantities in the event a major conflict might break out. We sit around with just enough ammo to use for training, then as soon as the shooting starts we immediately break ground on the factories we would need to build the ammo that we need right then.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No no no. We don’t stock obvious consumables that we know will be needed in large quantities in the event a major conflict might break out. We sit around with just enough ammo to use for training, then as soon as the shooting starts we immediately break ground on the factories we would need to build the ammo that we need right then.
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Ammo prices haven’t spiked and there isn’t a real shortage. Why is that, considering we are supplying Ukraine with tons and tons of ammo? I’d think our civilian 5.56 an 7.62 would be going through the roof right now with as much ammo as we’re replacing.
 
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