War in Ukraine

[RDU VOL#14]

For the record my opinions are neutral.

I think Russia needs to be pushed back, but I also think this is a strain on the US considering what The Weekend at Bernies stand-in has done to our economic standing. Something tells me there is a long game approach being played here by our adversaries. The US is providing much of the assistance to Ukraine while the countries that are most impacted by Russia's invasion are providing peanuts. I think other adversaries are gearing up for conflict while the decision makers over here has no idea what to do. They are too busy trying to figure out how to make the military more Woke and catering to transgenders.

We are providing just enough assistance to Ukraine to keep them afloat. They want more, but we won’t give them more. We’re going to keep giving them enough to continue to drain the Russians . We’re also starting to give them more advanced weaponry . There’s no better way to battle test weapons than actual battle and that’s what we’re doing w/ certain things . The problem is that with us providing weaponry and ammo for the Ukrainians is that we will be in short supply. We need to do be producing at a war time level as opposed to the level we’re currently producing . If we don’t start producing at a higher level we will get caught with our pants down when China decides attacking Taiwan is their next move.

The Russians OTOH are resupplying themselves by purchasing weapons from China. The weapons they are buying from China are the same weapons they sold to China 15-20 years ago. So again, China is coming out on top.

 

[KB5252]

I already have. The kill ratio isn't going down...IT IS GOING UP. Why has it been going up since the beginning of the war? Because Ukraine has been slowly demilitarized. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRAINED MEN OR WEAPONS TO WAGE EFFECTIVE WAR AND THEY ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED AT INCREASINGLY HIGHER KILL RATIOS. Get your head out of your ass, coward. YOU WERE LIED TO. YOU ARE WRONG. WAKE THE EFF UP!! Good Lord.

They are more militarized today.......... And will continue to be militarized for decades to come........ You can't refute that........ Only a FOOL would!


Congrats


You can only be lied to if you actually believe everything you hear and read. I don't believe half of it. Certainly not from either side.

But to believe that Russia has successfully demilitarized or are on track to demilitarize Ukraine is simply foolish. You are obviously lying to yourself, fools often do.


Congrats I guess!

 

[KB5252]

Keep repeating the lies, but it won't make them true.

Where is the lie?

 

[volinbham]

We are providing just enough assistance to Ukraine to keep them afloat. They want more, but we won’t give them more. We’re going to keep giving them enough to continue to drain the Russians . We’re also starting to give them more advanced weaponry . There’s no better way to battle test weapons than actual battle and that’s what we’re doing w/ certain things . The problem is that with us providing weaponry and ammo for the Ukrainians is that we will be in short supply. We need to do be producing at a war time level as opposed to the level we’re currently producing . If we don’t start producing at a higher level we will get caught with our pants down when China decides attacking Taiwan is their next move.

The Russians OTOH are resupplying themselves by purchasing weapons from China. The weapons they are buying from China are the same weapons they sold to China 15-20 years ago. So again, China is coming out on top.

Assuming the bolded is true I would consider the biggest problem not supply of our ammo but the ethics of letting Ukraine be cannon fodder so we can test our weapons and drain Russia.

 

[tnmarktx]

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Assuming the bolded is true I would consider the biggest problem not supply of our ammo but the ethics of letting Ukraine be cannon fodder so we can test our weapons and drain Russia.

I don’t necessarily agree with how it works . We’re basically saying that we’re trying to protect and uphold democracy, but the reality is that Ukraine was a joke of a democracy and the goal here is a weaker Russia using up their military resources while China continues to build up their military. We would much rather have one be weaker than both be strong at the same time.

 

[Paper_Towel]

Putin has lost a fraction of what his forces are taking out.

I’m sure the “elite” 4th Guards Tank Division agrees with your statement.

 

[KB5252]

They could argue, eventually, a few years after the war ends, Ukraine could be more militarized than it was at the start of the war but there is no way one could argue that now. Ukraine's best trained fighting forces are mostly gone. Most of their equipment, gone. Currently, at best, they can send a group of mostly rubes who have been taken against their will and placed into military service to a western Country outside of Ukraine where they are quickly trained and then shipped to the frontlines (usually Bakhmut lately) where they are then quickly killed or maimed.

This applies equally to Russia.

I haven't made multiple predictions on when Ukraine would fall. They are suffering insurmountable losses and they are falling apart which, again, is why the death ratio continues to climb higher as the war goes on. Things are changing, just look at the war now vs last fall when Ukraine forced Russia to retreat out of Kharkiv. Ukraine needs to mount another offensive, like they did in Kharkiv, but they keep delaying it. Why?

Waiting on all the equipment to get through red tape is my guess. There's been roughly no change of the situation on the front lines especially around Bakhmut which is only of significance because it puts the occupiers in artillery range of the rail life line to Crimea. Russia isn't been able to secure it, Ukraine hasn't forced Russia away completely from it so it's contested.

I think there are a couple of others factors at play as well, but are just suspicions. I think China is a factor in this delay.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Putin has lost a fraction of what his forces are taking out.

Well then. They should have this wrapped up in about three more days huh?

 

[Burhead]

I’m sure the “elite” 4th Guards Tank Division agrees with your statement.

Along with the Naval Infantry, VDV, Spetsnaz the list goes on.

 

[Burhead]

Assuming the bolded is true I would consider the biggest problem not supply of our ammo but the ethics of letting Ukraine be cannon fodder so we can test our weapons and drain Russia.

We're not forcing the Ukrainians to fight...

 

[Hunerwadel]

And we could have prevented it. I haven't cheered this from the start, which is why I hardly ever post video of Ukrainians being slaughtered. I feel bad for the Ukrainian people. This didn't need to happen.

How do you say it. Oh yeah, pics or it didn't happen.

If there is no video of some of this it's because Russia has stripped all their cameras for chips.

 

[volgr]

Assuming the bolded is true I would consider the biggest problem not supply of our ammo but the ethics of letting Ukraine be cannon fodder so we can test our weapons and drain Russia.

Our govt doesnt give 2 sh1ts about Ukraine, their goal is to weaken Russia and overthrow Putin. Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we have made Russia stronger and rallied the Russian people to Putin.

Folks want to pretend Ukraine will be more militarized in the future, but they dont talk about what Russia is currently building up and their capacity to mass produce arms going forward.

In an effort to weaken Russia we have likely made them stronger than at any time in our lives. Total backfire and we destroyed Ukraine in the process. Everything we touch turns to crap.

 

[volgr]

How do you say it. Oh yeah, pics or it didn't happen.

If there is no video of some of this it's because Russia has stripped all their cameras for chips.

There is plenty of video from the last year. Telegram is full of it

 

[NorthDallas40]

We're not forcing the Ukrainians to fight...

I agree we aren’t. However if we’re going to support them then we should support them in a fashion that enables them to win or it’s somewhat wasted effort.

 

[Hunerwadel]

There is plenty of video from the last year. Telegram is full of it

Do they show the videos of Russians beheading or castrating Ukraine POWs

 

[Septic]

Demilitarizing NATO and US allies also.
The rumor is that all of the nonsense from the West about North Korea supplying weapons to Russia was an attempt to scare the South Koreans to give up more of their weapons to Ukraine. Now South Korea is grudgingly giving up half a million shells that will allegedly only go to replenish US stockpiles but not go to Ukraine... yeah, we'll see about that.

I've never heard anyone refer to getting slaughtered on the battlefield spun as depleting the enemy of munitions.

You need help.

 

[volkyries]

The internet has exposed a twisted world where the average person celebrates death. No wonder we see more and more mass murder suicides like humanity means nothing.

People have always sought the macabre, in old times it might have been a traveling show or a museum. In 1980s-1990s, it was the Faces of Death VHS series. Like porn and other activities that were limited priority to the internet, the internet didn't expose anything, it just made it more accessible for those that wished to consume it.

 

[scooty_vol]

Quite a good piece. Sadly the people on this board don't want to have a consistent standard for the fed gov. You guys have become such ideological soldiers for the dem party

 

[KB5252]

Quite a good piece. Sadly the people on this board don't want to have a consistent standard for the fed gov. You guys have become such ideological soldiers for the dem party

You do realize the vast majority who post here are conservative or lean right don't you?

 

[BreatheUT]

You do realize the vast majority who post here are conservative or lean right don't you?

I wouldn't say the vast majority. There are a lot of progressives on this board and in this thread.

 

[KB5252]

The majority here are centrists or lean right

 

[LouderVol]

All of this could have easily been avoided if NATO would not have moved eastward starting in the late 1990s and if they would gave respected the security concerns of Russia... no different than we would expect them to respect our security concerns if the stationed troops and weapons in Cuba, Mexico or Nicaragua.

Just common sense...

Nicargua Nicaragua gives permission for Russian troops to enter country

Venezuela and Cuba
Military Watch Magazine

Yeah we havent invaded anyone.

 

[Septic]

I wouldn't say the vast majority. There are a lot of progressives on this board and in this thread.

Of course you wouldn't - that kind of reality would be too much for you to reconcile.

 

[turbovol]

Our govt doesnt give 2 sh1ts about Ukraine, their goal is to weaken Russia and overthrow Putin. Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we have made Russia stronger and rallied the Russian people to Putin.

Folks want to pretend Ukraine will be more militarized in the future, but they dont talk about what Russia is currently building up and their capacity to mass produce arms going forward.

In an effort to weaken Russia we have likely made them stronger than at any time in our lives. Total backfire and we destroyed Ukraine in the process. Everything we touch turns to crap.

Russia stronger? You apparently haven't been paying attention. Russia is a joke--a backwater dictatorship, mafia state, only held together by its oil and gas. And its oil and gas revenues are plunging. The mighty Russian military? Poorly equipped, poorly trained and so second/third rate that it depends on a mercenary force, Wagner, to do its best fighting--and Wagner recruited convicts for its force. If you're relying on mercenaries to fight for you, and the mercenaries are coming from prisons, you ain't a respectable fighting force. Wagner and the Russians have spent 8 months throwing everything they've got at Bakhmut and still haven't claimed the city and have lost a massive number of troops and equipment in the effort. Russia has a lot of people--meat--to throw at the Ukrainians, which they've been doing, and they've got a lot of artillery. But Russia has mostly been a joke. If the U.S. engaged with Russia in a conventional war, we'd kick their sorry asses completely in 3 days. Certainly Ukraine has everything riding on its coming counter-offensive, and it won't be easy giving how dug in the Russia's are in the east. Any and all red-blooded Americans should want and hope it succeeds.

You say that "we--meaning the U.S.--destroyed Ukraine in the process." What kind of an insane, ridiculous statement is this? Ukraine is a sovereign country, ace. THEY'RE fighting for THEIR country--and tenaciously. You think they're fighting Russia because we want them to? Please--stop your nonsense. They don't want to be under the Russian boot. Why the hell would they? You know nothing. While Russia has been wasting the lives of thick-necked primitives, Ukraine has been losing many of its best and brightest--musicians, athletes, technicians, doctors. You think they're dying for us? Get real.

Neighboring countries have all been under the Russian boot--and they are Ukraine's biggest supporters--Poland, the Baltics. Kazhakstan is moving away from Russia. Let's see: I can align myself with Europe/EU or I can align myself with a backward, oppressive dictatorship. Tough decision! Ukraine is capable of becoming much more dynamic and prosperous than Russia--fact. They are a smart, capable people. Putin fears the nation next door becoming a prosperous democracy, because it would put in high relief what a failure Russia is.

This is a high-stakes, existential war against authoritarianism. You seem to think that the U.S. is Ukraine's only ally. Every EU nation but Hungary is Ukaine's ally as well--plus Canada, Japan, Australia. You might consider learning more, writing less.