War in Ukraine

[volbound1700]

yeah, that was the start of the discussion. Ukrainian Constitution says no elections if they are under martial law. They are under martial law due to being invaded.

People can argue its a crap clause, and not true to the spirit of democracy, but that's in their Constitution. People want to say its wrong because WE don't do it that way.

I concede my argument then.

I didn't realize they had a provision in their constitution about it.

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Hunerwadel]

Wonder how long before Erdogan says "but wait, there's more you have to do first"

I'm sure we (The West) did plenty. We just don't know what yet.

 

[AM64]

I'm sure we (The West) did plenty. We just don't know what yet.

Don't be surprised if it gets announced in a few days that Turkey is back on the F-35 team. Which may still fall under the "be careful what you wish for" category.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Hilarious, that is one of the funniest clips I've seen in this entire thread.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Cracking Coalition? UK and Spain Call on Biden to Not Send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine

The United Kingdom and the Kingdom of Spain have called upon U.S. President Joe Biden to not send cluster bombs to Ukraine amid concerns over the danger they pose to civilian populations.

As Ukraine marked over 500 days since the invasion by Russian forces, significant challenges have been levied against the war strategy of the Biden administration from its NATO allies in Europe, with both the British and Spanish governments urging Washington to back down from its pledge to send cluster bombs into the conflict.

UK and Spain Call on Biden to Not Send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine

 

[lawgator1]

Cracking Coalition? UK and Spain Call on Biden to Not Send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine

The United Kingdom and the Kingdom of Spain have called upon U.S. President Joe Biden to not send cluster bombs to Ukraine amid concerns over the danger they pose to civilian populations.

As Ukraine marked over 500 days since the invasion by Russian forces, significant challenges have been levied against the war strategy of the Biden administration from its NATO allies in Europe, with both the British and Spanish governments urging Washington to back down from its pledge to send cluster bombs into the conflict.

UK and Spain Call on Biden to Not Send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine

This is old news.

Certainly a debate to be had on it.

But its hardly a "cracking coalition," as much as Breitbart and the Trump/MAGA crowd might want to continue their unwavering commitment to kiss Putin's butt at every turn.

 

[Burhead]

As I said Sweden will be in by the NATO summit looks like I was right.

 

[MontyPython]

Headline v. Reality.

Headline is a complete distortion of what each country has said/done.

Reality: Breitbart ******* anti-Biden bullsh*t artists.

A pox on ye!

UK and Spain Call on Biden to Not Send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine

 

[hog88]

I'm sure we (The US) did plenty. We just don't know what yet.

FIFY

 

[AM64]

What do you do with an old relic SAM? Not to get McDad fired up, but it sure seems that could somehow be tuned up to go with the tune to "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor"

Anyway

Is Ukraine Using Old S-200 SAMs In The Land-Attack Role? | The Drive

 

[evillawyer]

Where? Crimea?

 

[Burhead]

 

[tvolsfan]

Well, Turkey may get F-16’s, but they certainly won’t be joining the EU.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Is the US advocating for any country to join the EU at this point really a net positive for that country? Serious question.

So it looks like Turkey’s moral outrage carries the price tag of a few F-16s huh?

 

[Sea Ray]

Biden has really screwed up this time. He's violated the Geneva Conventions on more than one level in a war that isn't ours. How stupid is that? This could really blow up on him:

The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) is an international treaty that prohibits all use, transfer, production, and stockpiling of cluster munitions, a type of explosive weapon which scatters submunitions ("bomblets") over an area. Additionally, the convention establishes a framework to support victim assistance, clearance of contaminated sites, risk reduction education, and stockpile destruction. The convention was adopted on 30 May 2008 in Dublin,[6] and was opened for signature on 3 December 2008 in Oslo. It entered into force on 1 August 2010, six months after it was ratified by 30 states.[2] As of April 2023, a total of 123 states are committed to the goal of the convention, with 111 states that have ratified it, and 12 states that have signed the convention but not yet ratified it.[3]a

Countries that ratify the convention will be obliged "never under any circumstances to":[7]

1. Use cluster munitions;
2. Develop, produce, otherwise acquire, stockpile, retain or transfer to anyone, directly or indirectly, cluster munitions;
3. Assist, encourage or induce anyone to engage in any activity prohibited to a State Party under this Convention.

Convention on Cluster Munitions - Wikipedia.

Why even go there when our borders are not at risk? This is very possibly the stupidest move he's made and that's saying a great deal

 

[Hunerwadel]

Biden has really screwed up this time. He's violated the Geneva Conventions on more than one level in a war that isn't ours. How stupid is that? This could really blow up on him:



Convention on Cluster Munitions - Wikipedia.

Why even go there when our borders are not at risk? This is very possibly the stupidest move he's made and that's saying a great deal

I'm fine with it as long as Ukraine uses them inside their own country. Killing Russians who are planting mines in your back yard seems like a great way to use them.

 

[MontyPython]

Biden has really screwed up this time. He's violated the Geneva Conventions on more than one level in a war that isn't ours. How stupid is that? This could really blow up on him:



Convention on Cluster Munitions - Wikipedia.

Why even go there when our borders are not at risk? This is very possibly the stupidest move he's made and that's saying a great deal

Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Burhead]

 

[Burhead]

Scalp is the French name for the Storm Shadow but pressure is building on us to send ATACMS now.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm fine with it as long as Ukraine uses them inside their own country. Killing Russians who are planting mines in your back yard seems like a great way to use them.

Agreed. Unexploded munitions is a problem, but unexploded Russian soldiers is a much bigger problem.

 

[evillawyer]

Thoughts and prayers, Ras. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Burhead]