War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Russia was all on board after the USSR collapse, the pretend was all the agreements made in the 90s were BS. Russia has been complaining about this since the early-mid 90s.... let's stop rewriting history here its in the Congressional Record. The U.S. military told Congress and the U.S. government to stop the B.S. or there would eventually be the issues we have today. They weren't making it up and this was before Putin was even a thing.

What I am saying was presented to Congress, I didn't make it up.... it was broadcasted on CSPAN, which I watched live. Yes, at this point you're going to tell me Georgia has it coming too. Look, if you want to be EVIL or support EVIL.... not much I can do about it. This is all the neocons and has been since the USSR collapsed. The still have few idiots left that still believe the lies. My whole life as a kid they were trying to convince me, it was all a freaking lie. Now, I am an adult.... and you want to convince me of the lies they told me as a kid all over again.

Its up to you to let go of the lies or promote them, but they are lies.
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Putin was never on board, Putin is Russia's Tsar. Putin wants Russia united, the will of the people be damned.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
This seems to be the issue.

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its a BS issue.

The Ukrainians have had the shorter ranged ATACMS with a range of around 100 miles, and has used them and has used them with no issue.
The Ukrainians have had the Shadowsword or whatever from the UK with range of around 150 miles, and has used them with no issue.
The Ukrainians are just now getting the longer ranged ATACMS with a range of 190 miles.

so somewhere in that 40 miles is an issue? Russia is effing huge, 40 miles doesn't get them to Moscow, and the range already was beyond the direct border regions. especially after Ukraine has used other weapons, mostly drones, to strike much further than 190 miles away.

there is no logic to it.

and none of the missiles we have sent are capable of holding a nuclear warhead. so Russia trying to say "we don't know what is being shot at us and it could be nukes" is bs. its war, you never know what is being shot at you.
and I don't even think the launcher, the HIMARS, has the capability to fire a missile (not ATACMS) that can carry a nuclear warhead. so its not like we could sneak in a FATMAN and launch it from HIMARS, which just circles back to Russia is making up stuff to be afraid of.

the US/Wests tactical nuclear arsenal is much more limited than Russia's. like the US has some in stockpiles and has never touched them, doesn't have a strategy to use them, doesn't train with their deployments, doesn't employ the systems that would launch our tactical nukes in other uses that could quickly be adapted. they exist, but aren't part of our arsenal and have never once been discussed with Ukraine. Russia on the other hand absolutely has a strategy to use them, does train with them, does deploy the systems that would launch their tactical nukes.
 
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hog88 said:
Correct, NATO just supplied the missiles, taught them how to use them, provided them targeting data and approved their use but NATO didn't actually push the button.
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Oh I absolutely believe NATO provided targeting data for Russian military positions within Ukraine that’s nothing new and has been stated before. NATO doesn’t need to provide the coordinates for a building like I said Google earth can easily do that.
 
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KB5252 said:
Putin was never on board, Putin is Russia's Tsar. Putin wants Russia united, the will of the people be damned.
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You are promoting this whole "Putin" thing, which is just recycled for idiot lies. I know people are full of **** and believe progranda when it gets to the level.

Russia has been very vocal of this before Putin even existed in Russia politics. The U.S. military already told your stupid ass and you won't listen. <-------
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its interesting that you promote evil in a similar way as satan would. You are complaining about insults with insults the irony.

All you appear to be doing is promoting lies which has already been exposed over 25 years ago to the American public by the U.S. government. There isn't much I can do about you being evil or promoting lies, other than point them out. Its no different than the people claiming a face diaper is going to stop a virus, its actually worse because you've had your whole life to figure out the lie.

He's a complete nutjob, 4D chess players acting like they have a plan to win a thermonuclear war.
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I insulted no one, I don't support US war mongering anymore than I support Russia's.

And then you equate me with Satan....... If you weren't so serious this would be hysterical!

I'm well aware of the MIC and our leaders lies........ But you call out our leaders and absolve the Russian equivalent......... Once again if you weren't so serious it would be hysterical........ Maybe it still is?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are promoting this whole "Putin" thing, which is just recycled for idiot lies. I know people are full of **** and believe progranda when it gets to the level.

Russia has been very vocal of this before Putin even existed in Russia politics. The U.S. military already told your stupid ass and you won't listen. <-------
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KB5252 said:
I insulted no one, I don't support US war mongering anymore than I support Russia's.

And then you equate me with Satan....... If you weren't so serious this would be hysterical!

I'm well aware of the MIC and it leaders lies........ But you call out our leaders and absolve the Russian equivalent......... Once again if you weren't so serious it would be hysterical........ Maybe it still is?
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You are insulting, whether you consider it an insult is not material. The irony. Of course, you think whatever you say makes sense no matter who tells you otherwise.

Its like trying to convince Luther masks don't work.

I'm not telling you.... your own government has told you and they told you 26-28 years ago.

You can lie all you want but nobody believes that nonsense. Kind of like Trump has secret Russian servers and pee parties. Complete nonsense.
 
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hog88 said:
Correct, NATO just supplied the missiles, taught them how to use them, provided them targeting data and approved their use but NATO didn't actually push the button.
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considering North Korea their regular army units on the ground dying on the front line, the complaints about outside involvement ring pretty hollow.

and its been a hot minute since I have seen anything about us providing them targeting data. Ukraine has been building their own capability up.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are promoting this whole "Putin" thing, which is just recycled for idiot lies. I know people are full of **** and believe progranda when it gets to the level.

Russia has been very vocal of this before Putin even existed in Russia politics. The U.S. military already told your stupid ass and you won't listen. <-------
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Again, I'm well aware of US lies......... But that doesn't mean I have to fellaciate the other side. You should stop, I think you're oxygen deprived.
 
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KB5252 said:
Again, I'm well aware of US lies......... But that doesn't mean I have to fellaciate the other side. You should stop, I think you're oxygen deprived.
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You are brain damaged, which isn't my problem but you're not going to promote your lies on me.

Complete nonsense.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are insulting, whether you consider it an insult is not material. The irony. Of course, you think whatever you say makes sense no matter who tells you otherwise.

Its like trying to convince Luther masks don't work.

I'm not telling you.... your own government has told you and they told you 26-28 years ago.

You can lie all you want but nobody believes that nonsense. Kind of like Trump has secret Russian servers and pee parties. Complete nonsense.
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You are all over the place, I'm convinced you're high, drunk or just plain stupid. Have a good one man. Get the last word in if you want, I won't see it though.
 
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LouderVol said:
considering North Korea their regular army units on the ground dying on the front line, the complaints about outside involvement ring pretty hollow.

and its been a hot minute since I have seen anything about us providing them targeting data. Ukraine has been building their own capability up.
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I’m pretty certain early in the war during the Russian advance it was openly stated the US was providing satellite intel on Russian movements. Not necessarily targeting coordinates Ukraine knew where their own buildings and towns were just that Russian military was occupying those locations.

That use case doesn’t hold up for strikes inside Russia against fixed large buildings. Again, Google earth.
 
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KB5252 said:
You are all over the place, I'm convinced you're high, drunk or just plain stupid. Have a good one man. Get the last word in if you want, I won't see it though.
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There is no brownie points, you're defective. The lies you are promoting are just the recycled lies they were pulling on me when I was a kid. The sane world is waking up to the lies. Promoting all this nonsense serves no purpose in 2024.

At least be creative and come up with some new gag i.e. lie.

"Hey guys, this LSU-SIU fellow is just making **** up, he is colluding with Trump and rewriting the Congressional Record in the 90s. He is using AI to recreate CSPAN coverage of the Congressional Hearings on the matter."
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There is no brownie points, you're defective. The lies you are promoting are just the recycled lies they were pulling on me when I was a kid. The sane world is waking up to the lies. Promoting all this nonsense serves no purpose in 2024.

At least be creative and come up with some new gag i.e. lie.

"Hey guys, this LSU-SIU fellow is just making **** up, he is colluding with Trump and rewriting the Congressional Record in the 90s. He is using AI to recreate CSPAN coverage of the Congressional Hearings on the matter."
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Which lies am I promoting there chief...... Be specific.


This is going to be fun.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’m pretty certain early in the war during the Russian advance it was openly stated the US was providing satellite intel on Russian movements. Not necessarily targeting coordinates Ukraine knew where their own buildings and towns were just that Russian military was occupying those locations.

That use case doesn’t hold up for strikes inside Russia against fixed large buildings. Again, Google earth.
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Ukraine is also purchasing commercial satellite imagery of Russia, which literally anyone can do.
 
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KB5252 said:
Which lies am I promoting there chief...... Be specific.


This is going to be fun.
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You said it was two sided, that is not how this went down. (see Congressional Record) The whole, "Trump bad", is the old "Russia Bad", which was recycled back again to "Russia Bad". You are ignoring the clear history.

There isn't anything fun about this, its like trying to convince Luther that mask doesn't work. Sad.

You're not going to convince me of your BS because not only do have a record of it, I was a part of it.

You don't have to believe me, there is a record of it.

Its up to you to believe whatever nonsense someone is throwing at you, but was being promoted my whole childhood was a big hoax. Recycling the same lie has less of a chance of working. The U.S. admitted to the hoax, notice how nobody doesn't want to talk about the face diaper now... its like it just didn't happen.

Not only did Russia not believe the U.S. wasn't working in good faith, they basically have a public admission of this by the U.S. military, Congress, etc.

You can tell me I am full of ****, fine, but really what you are doing is saying your government is lying about lying.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You're not going to convince me of your BS because not only do have a record of it, I was a part of it.
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KB5252 said:
I blocked them but since changed my mind...... It's hysterical. Particularly when I agree about US lies but then point out Russian lies and it short circuits their brain to the point they have to immediately go to personal insults and attacking my intellect....... Oh and I must also love Satan.
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That maroon should never be blocked because in the end his thin skin will force him to block you anyway. He should be pointed at and openly mocked.
 
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BeardedVol said:
How is the fact that they are US-made weapons, relevant to the fact that Ukraine is the one deploying the weapons in defense of their country?
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You think Putin just cares that Ukraine is operating them? Don't you think he is concerned with who supplied them to Ukraine, too??
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You think Putin just cares that Ukraine is operating them? Don't you think he is concerned with who supplied them to Ukraine, too??
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So let me try to understand your logic here:

So because Ukraine is using US-made weapons to defend themselves, you believe that Putin considers the US party to his war against Ukraine?

Does this go for any country that has sent weapons to Ukraine, or just us?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You think Putin just cares that Ukraine is operating them? Don't you think he is concerned with who supplied them to Ukraine, too??
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Well, obviously nobody wants their adversary to get supplies from anyone. Russia has just pointed out the problems with deep strike weapons has more to do with nuclear detection, also, they have not provided U.S. enemies with various weapon systems which would do much more harm and impact nuclear detection.

Anti-ship weapons, energy pipelines/cables, satellites, etc first and possibly ICBMs next come to mind.

This isn't a stick in the eye of Russia, its one last stick to Trump.

Russia (and the world) knows who their real enemy is, which is why the U.S. is going after Georgia.
 
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