War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Well, obviously nobody wants their adversary to get supplies from anyone. Russia has just pointed out the problems with deep strike weapons has more to do with nuclear detection, also, they have not provided U.S. enemies with various weapon systems which would do much more harm and impact nuclear detection.

Anti-ship weapons, energy pipelines/cables, satellites, etc first and possibly ICBMs next come to mind.

This isn't a stick in the eye of Russia, its one last stick to Trump.

Russia (and the world) knows who their real enemy is, which is why the U.S. is going after Georgia.
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I can never tell if you are being intentionally obtuse, or if you really are this ignorant of the goings-on in this war.

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Ukraine Is Already Striking Deep Inside Russia

Kyiv isn’t waiting for US permission; its drones and missiles are hitting critical targets on a near-daily basis
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BeardedVol said:
I can never tell if you are being intentionally obtuse, or if you really are this ignorant of the goings-on in this war.

newlinesmag.com

Ukraine Is Already Striking Deep Inside Russia

Kyiv isn’t waiting for US permission; its drones and missiles are hitting critical targets on a near-daily basis
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It’s ignorance. Pure old fashioned ignorance. Coupled with a lack of capacity to correct the lack of knowledge.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You think Putin just cares that Ukraine is operating them? Don't you think he is concerned with who supplied them to Ukraine, too??
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he has complained about anyone supplying Ukraine, during his visit with North Korea leadership the South Korean weapons in Ukraine were brought up as a major talking point. he also had a pretty bad spat with the French too. he is complaining about all of it, while he brings in his own foreign aid to continue the war.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, obviously nobody wants their adversary to get supplies from anyone. Russia has just pointed out the problems with deep strike weapons has more to do with nuclear detection, also, they have not provided U.S. enemies with various weapon systems which would do much more harm and impact nuclear detection.

Anti-ship weapons, energy pipelines/cables, satellites, etc first and possibly ICBMs next come to mind.

This isn't a stick in the eye of Russia, its one last stick to Trump.

Russia (and the world) knows who their real enemy is, which is why the U.S. is going after Georgia.
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its got nothing to do with nuclear weaponry. ATACMS, no matter the range, has no nuclear capability. Russia might as well be worried about us giving the Ukrainians Martian Saucer craft along with the F16s, its as valid of a concern.

they have absolutely provided our enemies with what they are worried about. SCUDS.
 
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European troops in Ukraine would secure Trump peace deal, says Estonia

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European troops in Ukraine would secure Trump peace deal, says Estonia

European leaders should be prepared to send military forces to Ukraine to underpin any peace deal engineered by Donald Trump between Kyiv and Moscow, Estonia’s foreign minister has said.Margus Tsahkna told the Financial Times that the best security guarantee for Ukraine was Nato membership, as requested by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. But if the US was opposed to inviting Kyiv to join the military alliance, Europe would have to step in with troop deployments once the fighting was over to deter further Russian aggression.
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Another "suggestion" as to a peace agreement which would not really benefit either the Ukraine or Russia is coming from Estonia. If that is the true reason, why even float the plan? If that is how parties are starting the agreement, logically its not worth the paper it would be written on. As I said back in 2022, this will have to go on for some time (I said 1-2 decades at the time) as the neocons set this one up very well. There is no easy off ramp (at this point) which would even reasonable mean peace short term let alone long-term. I don't think Russia is going to buy any of these "agreements" which have no chance for being anything but a short term freeze.

(Russia at 1:37:40)


Trump can start to pull support and not push additional funding. That will of course help quicken the pace again but its hard to see how that produces an easy off ramp to the war for Trump. I would be just be happy with my tax dollars not being sent there, huge victory there if it happens. Neocons really did a number here, hopefully Georgia is making plans because 4 years isn't that long a time to prepare if the neocons get their way. The issue is Tulsi Gabbard has been telling people to "just get along". Unfortunately, I think she is way out of her league here although she has good intentions.

My take is the Ukraine War won't change much, if Trump makes it to office although I would expect support to go basically to zero. This would probably decrease my time table from less than a decade to probably 3-4 additional years even if Europe is able to fund some of it. It will still take Russia considerable time to destroy the whole place.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You said it was two sided, that is not how this went down. (see Congressional Record) The whole, "Trump bad", is the old "Russia Bad", which was recycled back again to "Russia Bad". You are ignoring the clear history.

There isn't anything fun about this, its like trying to convince Luther that mask doesn't work. Sad.

You're not going to convince me of your BS because not only do have a record of it, I was a part of it.

You don't have to believe me, there is a record of it.

Its up to you to believe whatever nonsense someone is throwing at you, but was being promoted my whole childhood was a big hoax. Recycling the same lie has less of a chance of working. The U.S. admitted to the hoax, notice how nobody doesn't want to talk about the face diaper now... its like it just didn't happen.

Not only did Russia not believe the U.S. wasn't working in good faith, they basically have a public admission of this by the U.S. military, Congress, etc.

You can tell me I am full of ****, fine, but really what you are doing is saying your government is lying about lying.
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I believe you, I also believe that Russia has lied cheated and stolen to get where we are today. I don't have to believe one or the other ..... They are not mutually exclusive.

What is exhausting with you is you feel like because one side is wrong the other by implication has to be right........ It's honestly a very childlike way of looking at it.

And you have failed to illustrate where I have come even remotely close to a lie, which was the entire purpose of your response wasn't it?
 
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KB5252 said:
I believe you, I also believe that Russia has lied cheated and stolen to get where we are today. I don't have to believe one or the other ..... They are not mutually exclusive.
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Like what? I don't even know the context of this. What did they cheat, lie and stole from me?

If you dig deeper (read Congressional Record) you'll maybe figure out why Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc were needed by the neocons at that point.
 
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KB5252 said:
So you are the only one that matters here?

My goodness man, this is exhausting. It's like arguing with a child with no comprehension of broader context.
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Okay what did they lie, steal, and cheat from the U.S. at the time of the U.S. military briefing Congress or before? (you're not even giving context at all... how in the heck I am to know what you are talking about?)
 
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What is a neocon..... I'd really like to know what done people believe that means. The way it gets used makes me believe some people think it just sounds cool
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Okay what did they lie, steal, and cheat from the U.S. at the time of the U.S. military briefing Congress or before? (you're not even giving context at all... how in the heck I am to know what you are talking about?)
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They've lied cheated and stolen from their former satellites for decades and centuries. Still do.
 
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KB5252 said:
They've lied cheated and stolen from their former satellites for decades and centuries. Still do.
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What did they do under the agreements or outside of the agreements, past decades are past decades if you enter into agreements in good faith.

So... would the United States sanctioning say someone like Georgia at the moment be cheating and stolen? What exactly is Iraq to the U.S.? They have told you to leave.

You're not really providing anything of substance here, its "Russia Bad".

The U.S. briefed Congress that this would be the eventually likely outcome from the behavior. Nobody came up with any reason for the behavior but the U.S. military did kind imply the reason... which might explain why the neocons needed Afghanistan, Iraq II, Syria, etc.

The military explained that military funding to Europe served no purpose, indirectly or implied.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
What did they do under the agreements or outside of the agreements, past decades are past decades if you enter into agreements in good faith.

So... would the United States sanctioning say someone like Georgia at the moment be cheating and stolen? What exactly is Iraq to the U.S.? They have told you to leave.

You're not really providing anything of substance here, its "Russia Bad".

The U.S. briefed Congress that this would be the eventually likely outcome from the behavior. Nobody came up with any reason for the behavior but the U.S. military did kind imply the reason... which might explain why the neocons needed Afghanistan, Iraq II, Syria, etc.

The military explained that military funding to Europe served no purpose, indirectly or implied.
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Agreements in good faith you say?

en.wikipedia.org

Treaty on the Russian-Ukrainian border - Wikipedia

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Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty - Wikipedia

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Once Biden got in and the "Ukraine to join NATO" headlines started, what did everyone expect Russia to do?

Just a question to see what everyone's opinions are.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Once Biden got in and the "Ukraine to join NATO" headlines started, what did everyone expect Russia to do?

Just a question to see what everyone's opinions are.
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Ukraine revived it's NATO aspirations after Russia invaded Crimea 10 years ago, it's nothing new.

www.rferl.org

Poroshenko: Ukraine Seeking NATO Membership Action Plan

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has reiterated that Kyiv is seeking a Membership Action Plan (MAP), a formal step toward joining NATO.
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Your pearl-clutching over this is bizarre.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Once Biden got in and the "Ukraine to join NATO" headlines started, what did everyone expect Russia to do?

Just a question to see what everyone's opinions are.
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you mean well after Russia had already invaded? so you and Putin are justifying their 2014 invasion with 2020 at the earliest events?

There were no talks about Ukraine joining NATO before 2014. the last time in 2008 they were rejected. they weren't even on a plan like some of the small balkan nations are/were.
 
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Набиуллина заявила об исчерпании почти всех ресурсов российской экономики - Русская служба The Moscow Times

Почти все доступные ресурсы в российской экономике в настоящий момент уже задействованы, заявила, выступая в Госдуме во вторник, глава Центробанка Эльвира Набиуллина.По ее словам, в такой ситуации страна оказалась впервые: уровень безработицы опустился до исторического минимума с 2,4%, и...
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Dear Putin!
Before you end the world in 30 minutes, please strike Hollywood, and get rid of those child sex pedophilers, that Trudeau has killed.
Thank you,
Sincerely, Orange defense! 🤔🤔🤔🙄☝️
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ukraine revived it's NATO aspirations after Russia invaded Crimea 10 years ago, it's nothing new.

www.rferl.org

Poroshenko: Ukraine Seeking NATO Membership Action Plan

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has reiterated that Kyiv is seeking a Membership Action Plan (MAP), a formal step toward joining NATO.
www.rferl.org www.rferl.org

Your pearl-clutching over this is bizarre.
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Asking a question for the forum is pearl-clutching?

And you didn't answer my "pearl-clutching" question.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Asking a question for the forum is pearl-clutching?

And you didn't answer my "pearl-clutching" question.
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Your faux concern about Ukraine seeking NATO membership "under Biden" is definitely pearl-clutching considering that you are apparently walking around in abject fear that Putin will destroy the world in 30 minutes.
 
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