War in Ukraine

[volbound1700]

Northern Ireland is about as much a mixed bag as England. They are not nearly as liberal as the Scots. They had far more Brexit voters than Scotland because the EU's rules seriously screwed the fishing industry.

Thanks. I had heard mixed interpretations on that one and Wales. Sounds like you might have a better understanding.

 

[bamawriter]

Thanks. I had heard mixed interpretations on that one and Wales. Sounds like you might have a better understanding.

My brother-in-law is a Northern Irishman. It was interesting to listen to his family discuss the issue. They almost perfectly split on the topic.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Back to peace, nice. Now Trump, turn over all the information on CIA funding and foreign CIA assets working over in that area as a good faith gesture. Everyone wins (win-win) something.

 

[LSU-SIU]

A news conference between Zelenskyy and Donald Trump’s Ukraine envoy is canceled at U.S. request

Nothing is going to change the outcome but the entertainment value is going up quite a lot. Trump is a success, just don't let that midget run now. Maybe the midget will declare war on the U.S.?

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[volgr]

A news conference between Zelenskyy and Donald Trump’s Ukraine envoy is canceled at U.S. request

Nothing is going to change the outcome but the entertainment value is going up quite a lot. Trump is a success, just don't let that midget run now. Maybe the midget will declare war on the U.S.?

I think Zelensky knows the recent history of how it ends for US backed puppet leaders.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I think Zelensky knows the recent history of how it ends for US backed puppet leaders.

Yup. Not a good track record.

https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-adviser-urges-ukraine-tone-down-criticism-2025-02-20/

However, Waltz said U.S. differences with Ukraine were not irreconcilable, saying: "The president also said how much he loves the Ukrainian people."

I actually agree with Trump on this (although my patience is probably thin), I feel bad our government did all this but there is limited ability to solve this without all of the Ukraine being destroyed.... they need to come forward with the Truth. The midget is so stupid... all he has to do is throw everyone under the bus that was involved, this will give Russia the ability to possibly trust a new elected official. That's about all I got.

 

[LouderVol]

They are partially responsible for it and you can include the U.S. and Europe. There isn't anything irresponsible about it, the people you have been voting for caused this and the neocons/globalist.



Only to an insane person. He appreciates you working for him, every time you type... you probably get more supporters for him.

The Ukraine will probably continue to burn, and Europe is on deck for depopulation. Bravo.

by existing?
By impeaching the president who had already fled to Russia?
by not just immediately giving up?
by daring to not 100% give in to all of Russia's wants?

 

[LouderVol]

Yoyr post is perhaps the weakest effort to distract of all time on the board.

Trump, as predicted by myself and others, is on the verge of handing Ukraine to Putin in a silver platter. And your weaksauce response is, yeah, well, Biden sucked.

Stay focused. Trump is out of control.

now that you have said this I have never felt better that Putin is going to lose out.

you are the kiss of death when it comes to predictions, especially when it comes to anything in regards to Trump.

 

[LSU-SIU]

by existing?
By impeaching the president who had already fled to Russia?
by not just immediately giving up?
by daring to not 100% give in to all of Russia's wants?

By you trying to isolate Russia when you agreed that relations would become normal and sending the CIA in there and installing a puppet government. You were wrong and it will end badly for them.... as I said it would. Instead of being sorry, you keep with the nonsense. They are dying for you, they're not dying for me or themselves.... I would have like them to live. Not sure why we are still talking about this in 2025, your government is now coming clean on all this.... not my fault.

Europe is now on deck, the neocons will get what they planned for... maybe not the total dollars they want but..... Not much can be done. Neocons set it up very well... same thing I said years ago.

War in Ukraine

Pretty much. Just as the United States is on the road to ruin... now the United States has set Europe onto the path of chaos.

Ukraine expendable.
Germany expendable.
Europe expendable.

Just as I said in mid-2022. Once the U.S. took out the pipeline, Germany took the knee. Well, now they have to live with the decision. The most likely outcome in time is the collapse of Europe and probably war. Eastern Europe can possibly save themselves but its not a given and time is not their side. Best case, Europe doesn't use nukes.



The general plan was widely available, but nobody submitted a complaint form.

 

[LouderVol]

It ended Europe's attempt to work out a settlement. It replaced Ukraine’s democratically elected government (albeit corrupt like its predecessors and the present government also) with a rabidly anti-Russian albeit illegal government of American origin. Followed swiftly by sanctions, destroying pipelines, all sorts of moves to reignite the Cold War. iirc, Ukraine replacing its offer to partner with Russia (and discounted Russian oil) to go over to the EU was estimated at the time as costing Ukraine $160 billion. That's the meaning of the EU "just not having the cash inducements available" (above) to win its case.

But forget this rabbit hole. The crux of the matter (strike the word "coup" if you can't handle that) was and is that the US treated it's ally is a way that violates all of your moral platitudes and fails your litmus test of who can be trusted.

Negotiations of this sort customarily occur between parties lacking complete trust. It's hardly a reason not to negotiate.

lol. what European settlement in 2013?

the president that was impeached ran on a Pro-western campaign. There was a bill, whatever Ukraine calls it, on his plate that would have opened up trade with the west while maintaining current trade with Russia. that wasn't good enough for Russia so Russia bought off the president to tear up the deal that was already approved, and popular with the people, and he introduced a deal that was 100% Russia trade. that pissed people off, becuase the president crawfished on what he was elected to do, open up to the west.

the "cost" you mention, is just the lost funds because Ukraine stopped some trading with Russia AFTER they occupied Ukrainian territory. there was nothing close to 1 billion of costs associated with the trade. there were some logistical items, train cars using different gauges, additional trucks, boats, planes, horse carts or whatever to transport the goods, but they were all normal business costs. the pipelines stayed open until 2022, so I don't know what bs you are pushing with destroying pipelines.

 

[LouderVol]

We are lobbing our missiles into Russia via proxies. Proxies trained by NATO (us). Biden had to give the green light for the US missile attacks on Russia to proceed. We need to stop it. Thank god Khrushchev had more sense than Biden’s handlers.

so under this argument Putin is just the proxy for China, Iran, and North Korea. not much of an alpha king.

heck North Korea supplying troops isn't even questioned anymore, previously the Putin defenders screamed from the roof tops any talk of NK troops was bs.

US missiles into Russia was already approved. as usually you are conveniently forgetting the whole truth and telling partial lies. Biden allowed for longer range versions of missiles Trump had sent Ukraine.

 

[LouderVol]

By you trying to isolate Russia when you agreed that relations would become normal and sending the CIA in there and installing a puppet government. You were wrong and it will end badly for them.... as I said it would. Instead of being sorry, you keep with the nonsense. They are dying for you, they're not dying for me or themselves.... I would have like them to live. Not sure why we are still talking about this in 2025, your government is now coming clean on all this.... not my fault.

Europe is now on deck, the neocons will get what they planned for... maybe not the total dollars they want but..... Not much can be done. Neocons set it up very well... same thing I said years ago.

they would all be alive if Russia had stayed on its side of the border.

the original trade deal that Yany dropped was only expanding trade with Europe. it wasn't decreasing any trade with Russia. Everyone agreed that it was going to open up more of Russian goods into Europe over the lifetime of the treaty. Russia/Putin didn't like it because it took economic control of Ukraine out of his hands, and created a "free market" for "interference", it wasn't costing him money, just control.

as has been pointed out multiple times, our superstar CIA operative Nuland didn't even mention any of the people who took over the country after the "coup"

the only reason Russia is getting isolated is because they attacked Ukraine.

you are the one defending Russia, so you are clearly good with the deaths. if you weren't you would spend at least as much time condemning Russia as you do Ukraine.

 

[LSU-SIU]

so under this argument Putin is just the proxy for China, Iran, and North Korea. not much of an alpha king.

heck North Korea supplying troops isn't even questioned anymore, previously the Putin defenders screamed from the roof tops any talk of NK troops was bs.

US missiles into Russia was already approved. as usually you are conveniently forgetting the whole truth and telling partial lies. Biden allowed for longer range versions of missiles Trump had sent Ukraine.

The missiles in question were using U.S. tracking with U.S. personnel, also what Russia was trying to eliminate is the possibility of a false positive on a nuclear strike i.e. WWIII. The U.S. has been at war with Russia since the fall of the USSR, they just weren't going to allow it to progress further in that area. Not complex, you can disagree.... I guess but its not material at this point.

For the record, I don't know if North Korean troops are used, and it doesn't seem material to the U.S. or the discussion, imo.

There are only two real choices for the Orange Man 1.) keep the scam going or 2.) stop the scam... there is nothing else. The scam was going to end shortly under Biden or Kamala as well, probably time table is being sped up.

(the real quote is actually a little different but this one still hits the mark)

 

[LSU-SIU]

they would all be alive if Russia had stayed on its side of the border.

Well, technically true.... that is kind of a childish way of looking at reality and the world i.e. context. Your government set it into motion over 30 years and it got what they wanted. (So what is the problem?)

The Neocons won, maybe not in full but they won quite a bit. I said they set it up good.

Europe is on deck now (see my 2022 comments, many of them)

 

[LouderVol]

The missiles in question were using U.S. tracking with U.S. personnel, also what Russia was trying to eliminate is the possibility of a false positive on a nuclear strike i.e. WWIII. The U.S. has been at war with Russia since the fall of the USSR, they just weren't going to allow it to progress further in that area. Not complex, you can disagree.... I guess but its not material at this point.

For the record, I don't know if North Korean troops are used, and it doesn't seem material to the U.S. or the discussion, imo.

There are only two real choices for the Orange Man 1.) keep the scam going or 2.) stop the scam... there is nothing else. The scam was going to end shortly under Biden or Kamala as well, probably time table is being sped up.

(the real quote is actually a little different but this one still hits the mark)

so us giving weapons and training means we are at fault.
but NK giving weapons, and training, and providing troops for fighting, and you think they aren't even involved? You can go to any Russian milblogger, they all talk about the North Koreans being there on the front line dying.

That is some real twisting. but it matches your reality I guess.

there was no new possibility of a nuclear strike. it was the same missile, just with a longer range. strapping an extra fuel tank on sedan doesn't turn it into a race car, and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Putin has relied on a constantly changing list of bs fear mongering to justify his invaasion.

Remember how it was to protect ethnic russians?
then it was to liberate areas that just wanted freedom?
then it was to fight nazis?
then it was to re-establish decency?
remember him fighting the literal devil?
remember him fighting NATO expansion, but ignoring NATO in Finland?
then it was to expand back to both Imperialist Russian claims, and USSR claims?
and now you are arguing Putin started this war to make sure that Ukraine didn't use nukes in the war that Putin started... grade A 4D chess there.

 

[LSU-SIU]

so us giving weapons and training means we are at fault.
but NK giving weapons, and training, and providing troops for fighting, and you think they aren't even involved? You can go to any Russian milblogger, they all talk about the North Koreans being there on the front line dying.

I'm not going to read all that, we appear to be going over traveled ground or revising history.

We're technically not at war with Russia, so any involvement by North Korean is none of your business right? At this stage, none of that is material anyway. Depending on the involvement of the U.S., yes, the Russians have legitimate beef especially when it comes down to the CIA working to blow up their pipeline.

>>>>>All of that is immaterial at this point.<<<<<<<

The Neocons considered the Ukraine expendable and Europe is expendable, the goal was to move to Eastern Europe and continue to Russia. That has now obviously partially failed. Eastern Europe must protect itself because its vulnerable... not to Russia.... to Europe.

Europe now.... (with who? themselves)

 

[BeardedVol]

Well, technically true.... that is kind of a childish way of looking at reality and the world i.e. context. Your government set it into motion over 30 years and it got what they wanted. (So what is the problem?)

The Neocons won, maybe not in full but they won quite a bit. I said they set it up good.

Europe is on deck now (see my 2022 comments, many of them)

You finally coming out of the closet as a foreign national?

 

[Orange.]

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US missiles into Russia was already approved. as usually you are conveniently forgetting the whole truth and telling partial lies. Biden allowed for longer range versions of missiles Trump had sent Ukraine.

All of your favorite misinformation sources. I figure you’ll honor them.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

You finally coming out of the closet as a foreign national?

OK

This is funny.

 

[LSU-SIU]

All of your favorite misinformation sources. I figure you’ll honor them.
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The problem the Russians had were two 1.) U.S. personnel and other tech were needed for the launch 2.) no way of knowing if they had a nuclear payload so if they went deeper into Russia, Russia might have to launch a nuclear counterstrike in mid-air.

The U.S. being involved in the pipeline is just plan terrorism, imo. Meaning they were planning and training in 2014.

I think all of this is immaterial in part now though.

 

[Orange.]

You finally coming out of the closet as a foreign national?

Your favorite misinformation smear! Your treasonous criminal “RussiaGate” hoax playbook. It’s your whole conned or willful participation in a manufactured world of lies.

 

[Sandman 423]

I'm not going to read all that, we appear to be going over traveled ground or revising history.

We're technically not at war with Russia, so any involvement by North Korean is none of your business right? At this stage, none of that is material anyway. Depending on the involvement of the U.S., yes, the Russians have legitimate beef especially when it comes down to the CIA working to blow up their pipeline.

>>>>>All of that is immaterial at this point.<<<<<<<

The Neocons considered the Ukraine expendable and Europe is expendable, the goal was to move to Eastern Europe and continue to Russia. That has now obviously partially failed. Eastern Europe must protect itself because its vulnerable... not to Russia.... to Europe.

Europe now.... (with who? themselves)

ummmm................................... when was the last time Europe invaded someone in Eastern Europe vs Russia attacking a Eastern European nation?

 

[LSU-SIU]

ummmm................................... when was the last time Europe invaded someone in Eastern Europe vs Russia attacking a Eastern European nation?

True, but there is a reason they have been threatening them and sanctions have been imposed. Not everyone is being invited to all these emergency meetings. They obviously were squeezing Eastern Europe just like the Ukraine, see my prior comments i.e. CIA. See what they did when Georgia installed their new foreign agent law.

 

[Orange.]

so …..,

Khrushchev had more sense than Biden’s handlers.