War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Well, technically true.... that is kind of a childish way of looking at reality and the world i.e. context. Your government set it into motion over 30 years and it got what they wanted. (So what is the problem?)

The Neocons won, maybe not in full but they won quite a bit. I said they set it up good.

Europe is on deck now (see my 2022 comments, many of them)
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30 years ago? Dude Russia has been killing Ukrainians longer than we have been a country. talk about a childish.
 
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Orange. said:
All of your favorite misinformation sources. I figure you’ll honor them.
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did you miss the part in your own source about the "secret" approval from Biden?

they had been approved for use, once it became public that Ukraine was using them to strike Russia, we had to wag our finger at them and that's what started the whole official approval process.

all of the sources agree with what I said, the increased range was the only escalation. it was the same system, just longer range.

and no matter the range, none of the variants of that missile can carry a nuclear warhead, and even the launchers don't have a different missile capable of launching a nuke. well I guess I shouldn't say "capable", its more they aren't designed to do it, I would assume you could duct tape something together out of desperation. it was all just bs fear mongering by Russia. even though Russia was already using longer ranged missiles, but i am sure you will ignore that aspect because you are incapable of condmnening anything Russia does.
 
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Orange. said:
The all-out effort to reactivate belief in the RussiaGate conspiracy theory (proven to be false, criminal, and treasonous) is clear for everyone to see.
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been here for years dude. I was here for the First Ukraine thread, back when threads were limited by post count, and there was a second one, before this thread even came to exist.

you are the johnny come lately to buy whatever bs Putin puts down while applying exactly zero critical thinking to ANY of Russia's claims.
 
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LouderVol said:
30 years ago? Dude Russia has been killing Ukrainians longer than we have been a country. talk about a childish.
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That isn't what I said or implied. Your country never did live up to what was spoken about i.e. normal relations. See Congressional Record, which has been posted many times. Jesus you have serious stability problems.

All of that is immaterial at this stage. The Ukraine did not matter and Europe doesn't matter. I didn't cause this (directly)... the U.S. government did... I wanted them to live. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Orange. said:
The all-out effort to reactivate belief in the RussiaGate conspiracy theory (proven to be false, criminal, and treasonous) is clear for everyone to see.
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Its an attempt to revise history, and history in this thread. He has been told in this thread many times what was going to happen and why, instead, Orange Man bad and Da Poootin Bad. The problem has nothing to do with either one of them, Da Pootin was moonlighting as a taxi driver.

There was never any complexity to this, F*** Europe. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Volnanza said:
He was a 20 year air force vet. Been stationed all over the world. You could always tell the teachers that lived what they taught.
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I was in the Air Force for 9 years and not in all my travels, HS or college or anywhere has anyone ever discussed what you said.

Did he talk about the CIA? Probably not, which in this context is most important, imo.

https://www.congress.gov/105/crec/1998/04/29/CREC-1998-04-29-pt1-PgS3800.pdf

Everyone has know for about 2-3 decades of the end result. This doesn't even get into the CIA stuff i.e. coups and proxy ****.

At this point, all of that is cover territory and not really material at this stage.... although it could add context.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yup. Not a good track record.

https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-adviser-urges-ukraine-tone-down-criticism-2025-02-20/



I actually agree with Trump on this (although my patience is probably thin), I feel bad our government did all this but there is limited ability to solve this without all of the Ukraine being destroyed.... they need to come forward with the Truth. The midget is so stupid... all he has to do is throw everyone under the bus that was involved, this will give Russia the ability to possibly trust a new elected official. That's about all I got.
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From the beginning, unlike the death culters who love to post battlefield snuff videos of Russians, I said I had no animus toward Ukrainians or Russians. I didn't gleefully post snuff videos of Ukrainians, unlike those on the other side.

Like all wars, the people suffer for the sins of its leaders. With no care or regard for Ukrainians, the West used them as pawns in their bigger chess game with Russia. The West knew Ukraine was a cess pit of corruption and thus they were ripe for the death cults picking. Sick and perverse.
 
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volgr said:
And Russians will continue to do so unless you want a World War, which is where this was headed for those who can see how this plays out. It took 2 to tango, Russia bears responsibility and the West bears responsibility for this absolute fiasco. Doesn't really matter which side you think bears more, what matters is to stop the needless slaughter before it grows larger. How is any of that pro-Russian?
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Then give me your preferred, realistic result that includes disincentivizing Russia from doing this same crap in the near future. If this ends without significant consequences for Putin, then the results are shamefully pro-Russia.
 
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bamawriter said:
Then give me your preferred, realistic result that includes disincentivizing Russia from doing this same crap in the near future. If this ends without significant consequences for Putin, then the results are shamefully pro-Russia.
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You act like we are the parent and Russia is the child. Russia has roughly one or two hundred thousand dead and wounded. They paid a large price to push back against the West. What exactly do you want to do to further disincentivize them? This cost Russia a lot more than it did the West.
 
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volgr said:
You act like we are the parent and Russia is the child. Russia has roughly one or two hundred thousand dead and wounded. They paid a large price to push back against the West. What exactly do you want to do to further disincentivize them? This cost Russia a lot more than it did the West.
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Russian casualties have done absolutely nothing to disincentivize Putin so far. Given that fact, what's your proposal?
 
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volgr said:
From the beginning, unlike the death culters who love to post battlefield snuff videos of Russians, I said I had no animus toward Ukrainians or Russians. I didn't gleefully post snuff videos of Ukrainians, unlike those on the other side.

Like all wars, the people suffer for the sins of its leaders. With no care or regard for Ukrainians, the West used them as pawns in their bigger chess game with Russia. The West knew Ukraine was a cess pit of corruption and thus they were ripe for the death cults picking. Sick and perverse.
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Absolutely. I don't like what my country has done to the Ukraine, Russia or the rest of Europe. I don't generally wish all Ukrainians to die but I did reach a point where I was like, if you can't see the light... maybe you should be extinct. I actually feel bad for the Ukrainian people but not because Da Pootin Bad.

There really is no way to right this wrong other than to shut it all down. Nothing comes to mind really.
 
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volgr said:
You act like we are the parent and Russia is the child. Russia has roughly one or two hundred thousand dead and wounded. They paid a large price to push back against the West. What exactly do you want to do to further disincentivize them? This cost Russia a lot more than it did the West.
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They had no plan... I asked for like years here about the "plan". Its an attempt to revise history to hide money laundering and corruption.

The key to it all is.... the U.S. should have never been involved in any of this... from the start i.e. early 90s, but all of that is immaterial at this stage.

I'm all for dumping Europe and working with cooperative European countries and Russia. Not much we can do for Europe at this stage.
 
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TVOLS said:
Those plains in Ukraine and Poland is highly sought after by Russia is my understanding. The one in Poland you can roll right into Moscow I think. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
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True, they were never going to allow another European (especially Germany) army to march across that piece of land, which is why they took action from the CIA and NATO expansion. (see Congressional Record from 1998)

The neocons set this one up really well, not much can be done at this stage.
 
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bamawriter said:
Russian casualties have done absolutely nothing to disincentivize Putin so far. Given that face, what's your proposal?
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While it may not have deterred Putin from carrying out his stated goals in the Special Military Operation, I don't think you can say it hasn't disincentivized him.

Any proposal is going to be considered to be "pro-Russia" by people like yourself because you do not reside in reality. You live in a made up fantasy world created by the Western Death Cultists.

Russia is decidedly winning this conflict. To the victor, go the <come back to reality and fill in the blank>.
 
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volgr said:
While it may not have deterred Putin from carrying out his stated goals in the Special Military Operation, I don't think you can say it hasn't disincentivized him.

Any proposal is going to be considered to be "pro-Russia" by people like yourself because you do not reside in reality. You live in a made up fantasy world created by the Western Death Cultists.

Russia is decidedly winning this conflict. To the victor, go the <come back to reality and fill in the blank>.
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It's amazing how Trumpistas can perform mental gymnastics where those last two sentences are not to be considered "Pro-Russia."
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They had no plan... I asked for like years here about the "plan". Its an attempt to revise history to hide money laundering and corruption.

The key to it all is.... the U.S. should have never been involved in any of this... from the start i.e. early 90s, but all of that is immaterial at this stage.

I'm all for dumping Europe and working with cooperative European countries and Russia. Not much we can do for Europe at this stage.
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Their plan was for sanctions to destabilize Russia and for Putin to be overthrown. Backfired.

Their plan was to drag out this conflict in hopes the Russian people would tire of it and overthrow Putin. Backfired.

Their plan was to start bombing inside Russia in hopes for Putin to be overthrown. Backfired.

Now their plan is, "to the last Ukrainian" and sadly we see how that is going.
 
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