War in Ukraine

[volgr]

It's amazing how Trumpistas can perform mental gymnastics where those last two sentences are not to be considered "Pro-Russia."

Yes, to you, reality is "pro-Russia". You do not think Russia is decidedly winning this conflict? Do the spoils not go to the victors throughout history? Do you know how dumb you sound to people who do live in reality?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Their plan was for sanctions to destabilize Russia and for Putin to be overthrown. Backfired.

Their plan was to drag out this conflict in hopes the Russian people would tire of it and overthrow Putin. Backfired.

Their plan was to start bombing inside Russia in hopes for Putin to be overthrown. Backfired.

Now their plan is, "to the last Ukrainian" and sadly we see how that is going.

Europe was willing to sacrifice Eastern Europe in the process, they started to figure it out. Eastern Europe is very vulnerable to the rest of Europe, they need to move quickly to gain additional security, imo. Eastern Europe should move to security and trade agreements from/with the U.S. and Russia, they should also be working together as a unit. Trump can release all the data on the CIA assets in those locations so those they can be eliminated.

We're clearly moving on from the Ukraine and its onto Europe.

 

[BeardedVol]

Those plains in Ukraine and Poland is highly sought after by Russia is my understanding. The one in Poland you can roll right into Moscow I think. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

No.

 

[KB5252]

So?

You set them up to fail, you set them up for war, and now they are setup to die.



No. You set them up. You are not the good guy, you are definitely the bad guy if you thought they were your friends.... you set them up.

Trump is simply fixing the glitch, he didn't create it but he has to clean it up. The Garbage Man Cometh.

(We're having revisionist history in real-time... we must be in The Matrix)

Dude you have consumed way too much guano!

There very well may be some truth to what you are saying......... But the degree to which you've hit the rails............an 80's rocker couldn't keep up.

 

[KB5252]

But you were not there for them, you sabotaged them. At this point, I don't even share any values with them and l lived in Europe.

The Ukraine can't be saved and probably not Europe, as I said long long long ago the neocons (through your country) set this up well.

There simply isn't much to this conflict.... YOU ****ed them. The End.

Europe as a whole isn't going to die from foreign hostility. They will fail due to internal issues the US has literally nothing to do with.

 

[LouderVol]

That isn't what I said or implied. Your country never did live up to what was spoken about i.e. normal relations. See Congressional Record, which has been posted many times. Jesus you have serious stability problems.

All of that is immaterial at this stage. The Ukraine did not matter and Europe doesn't matter. I didn't cause this (directly)... the U.S. government did... I wanted them to live.

you speak in partial thoughts.

the Congressional Record you have been harping on was the military assessment of conflict. that has nothing to do with "normal relations".

The trade deal that Yany crawfished on was part of normal relations. Russia interrupted that, because they would never accept normal relations.

you don't want them to live, you don't care one bit for their lives. you have never once pushed or even argued for Russia to stop the violence. you have bent over backwards defending Russia's violence at every term. gloating all the time about the meat grinder. you have always pushed for one side to make concessions, for only one side to stop THEIR fighting. what you want is for Russia to get what it wants, and you don't care what happens to the Ukrainians, live or die, as long as Russia gets what it wants. pretending otherwise or that you come from some place of enlightenment is just bs.

 

[LouderVol]

From the beginning, unlike the death culters who love to post battlefield snuff videos of Russians, I said I had no animus toward Ukrainians or Russians. I didn't gleefully post snuff videos of Ukrainians, unlike those on the other side.

Like all wars, the people suffer for the sins of its leaders. With no care or regard for Ukrainians, the West used them as pawns in their bigger chess game with Russia. The West knew Ukraine was a cess pit of corruption and thus they were ripe for the death cults picking. Sick and perverse.

and somehow Russia fell for this death cult trap and is doing the murdering for them.

its like you guys don't think about the implications of what you are saying.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Europe as a whole isn't going to die from foreign hostility. They will fail due to internal issues the US has literally morning to do with.

Actually I said the opposite, they will be at war with themselves. Some of which was cause by the U.S. over the last 30 years, and the mistake to go along with it.

 

[LouderVol]

You act like we are the parent and Russia is the child. Russia has roughly one or two hundred thousand dead and wounded. They paid a large price to push back against the West. What exactly do you want to do to further disincentivize them? This cost Russia a lot more than it did the West.

don't tell LSU-SIU that.

 

[TVOLS]

No.

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East European plain, yes

 

[LSU-SIU]

you speak in partial thoughts.

the Congressional Record you have been harping on was the military assessment of conflict. that has nothing to do with "normal relations".

The trade deal that Yany crawfished on was part of normal relations. Russia interrupted that, because they would never accept normal relations.

you don't want them to live, you don't care one bit for their lives. you have never once pushed or even argued for Russia to stop the violence. you have bent over backwards defending Russia's violence at every term. gloating all the time about the meat grinder. you have always pushed for one side to make concessions, for only one side to stop THEIR fighting. what you want is for Russia to get what it wants, and you don't care what happens to the Ukrainians, live or die, as long as Russia gets what it wants. pretending otherwise or that you come from some place of enlightenment is just bs.

did you read the whole record? You might be able to see some of it on youtube or cspan. (I doubt)

you don't want them to live, you don't care one bit for their lives. you have never once pushed or even argued for Russia to stop the violence

No, I would rather they didn't die for your worthless cause, which is what they did.

or even argued for Russia to stop the violence.

Of course, not... actually understand why they did it. Although I have said, its a tough decision.

I told you what would happen, you were wrong. Trying to justify what you are responsible for is rich.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Russian Aircraft Spotted Inside Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone​

Russian military aircraft were spotted flying in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) on Tuesday and Wednesday, an activity that the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said “occurs regularly and is not seen as a threat.”

In both instances, NORAD said the Russian aircraft were detected and tracked.

The Russian aircraft remained in international airspace and didn’t enter American or Canadian sovereign airspace.

NORAD said, “An ADIZ begins where sovereign airspace ends and is a defined stretch of international airspace that requires the ready identification of all aircraft in the interest of national security.”


The activity comes as President Donald Trump is working to begin negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin to end Russia’s war in Ukraine.

The latest detections of Russian aircraft flying in the ADIZ come less than a month after NORAD, which comprises U.S. and Canadian forces under a joint command, said it monitored multiple Russian military aircraft activity in the Arctic.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/20/world...kan-air-defense-identification-zone-us-says/#

Russian military aircraft were spotted flying in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Russian aircraft spotted inside Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone

Russian military aircraft were spotted flying in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone on Tuesday and Wednesday.

nypost.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

don't tell LSU-SIU that.

Generally, not my business but since I believe my government was greatly responsible for it.... I don't feel good about it. I don't know what you are trying to do.


There simply isn't much for me to do, or my government.... we ****ed it all up. I don't know what you want to hear.

 

[bamawriter]

and somehow Russia fell for this death cult trap and is doing the murdering for them.

its like you guys don't think about the implications of what you are saying.

It's like the Russians can't be held accountable because they have absolutely no agency. It's astounding.

 

[LouderVol]

did you read the whole record? You might be able to see some of it on youtube or cspan. (I doubt)


No, I would rather they didn't die for your worthless cause, which is what they did.



Of course, not... actually understand why they did it. Although I have said, its a tough decision.

I told you what would happen, you were wrong. Trying to justify what you are responsible for is rich.

you haven't told me jack.

I have been calling this for almost 3 years. you have constantly lied about my stance. you can go back to page 1 to find my stance. I have never wanted us invovled. you can go back to the 2013 Ukraine thread if you want, and you will find me in there arguing against any troop involvement, or the US getting directly involved.

Nope. Keep troops out. If they want other support, sure. But keep the troops away.

and here is me calling it the Winter War back in 2022.

Watched an interesting video on the comparisons between the Winter War and the Ukraine War (does this have a name yet?). Guy talking was saying the objectives for both sides were the same. Russia wanted to protect/guarentee access to a waterway and deny their future enemy access to certain border. In both wars the defenders victory conditions are similar too. Last long enough where continued Russian aggression isnt worth it. Maintain the illusion long enough where russia doesnt see a quick out via military actions.

In the Winter War the Finns lied to their people and the Russians about their losses and the strategic position they were in, maybe only two weeks more of fighting. Ukraine has definitely won the propaganda war and makes good use of the micro victories to keep a near constant celebration going so the tune of the PR never turns against them, despite otherwise real noticable losses. Hard to tell how they are really doing.

The differences are the support Ukraine gets vs what Finland got, and Ukraine is on slightly more equal terms with Russia than Finland was. Also Ukraine had 8 years between rounds of fighting to address military issues, so they may have started slightly better as well.

you got something from before those posts where you can say ?

I told you what would happen, you were wrong.

 

[MontyPython]

No surprise watching Donald embarrass himself before the free world. Clearly his boss Putin has Kompromat on him. Thankfully this won’t affect President Musk’s agenda.

 

[volbound1700]

Dude you have consumed way too much guano!

There very well may be some truth to what you are saying......... But the degree to which you've hit the rails............an 80's rocker couldn't keep up.

Sadly, this explains a lot of posters on this board (or frankly any message board that discuss politics), not just SIU. A lot of them have some "grain of truth" in what they are saying but it is so glassed over with the propaganda side of whatever tribe they are in that it is hard to have a real academic discussion with some of them.

 

[LSU-SIU]

you haven't told me jack.

I have been calling this for almost 3 years. you have constantly lied about my stance. you can go back to page 1 to find my stance. I have never wanted us invovled. you can go back to the 2013 Ukraine thread if you want, and you will find me in there arguing against any troop involvement, or the US getting directly involved.



and here is me calling it the Winter War back in 2022.


you got something from before those posts where you can say ?

Saying keep troops out isn't saying much, you already has the good ole U.S.A. in there in various forms way before that. We're all responsible for it, we allowed it to happen... at the end of the day pretty much immaterial.

At this point, there is only two options:

fund money and arms into the money pit fraud

or

abandon the money pit fraud



Ukraine losing was always going to happen... it was always about how much, whether we agree on the reasons why it happened or not. Europe is now on deck. Not much Trump or anyone else is going to do about it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Sadly, this explains a lot of posters on this board (or frankly any message board that discuss politics), not just SIU. A lot of them have some "grain of truth" in what they are saying but it is so glassed over with the propaganda side of whatever tribe they are in that it is hard to have a real academic discussion with some of them.

I actually don't think I posted in this thread for like a year+ because I said it would grind on for quite some time but the end result was going to be a Ukrainian failure which would probably lead to an European failure.

We had a lot of people just filling the thread with ghost of kievs, washing machine parts, da pootin has 5 forms of cancer, etc. They talk of propaganda but it was pure mental illness. Now there still isn't much to talk about, the Ukraine will most likely failed due to the obvious.... but we now have people attempting to revise history and history in the thread.

You don't see me with 50,000 and 100,000 posts.... I don't even know how people do that. (I'm like how in the hell is that possible?)

 

[BeardedVol]

East European plain, yes

I mean if you consider having to drive the breadth of Belarus as a straight shot to Moscow sure, why not.

 

[jmacvols1]

But I never asserted 100 billion was not missing (because I don't know either way) so I don't have to show anything. It was you who was saying that the 100 billion is missing but showed no proof.

Or maybe let me try another way. For example, you were saying the election was stolen. I said "Please showed me the proof." You said, "How about you showed me the proof that the election was not stolen (audits etc.)." But the problem is I never said whether the election was stolen or not because I didn't have anything to back me up either way. It was you who brought the accusation but showed no proof of. Whether I had proof of anything is irrelevant.

here is over $5 billion.........wasted

 

[Orangeburst]

here is over $5 billion.........wasted

so US money used to propogandize Americans and other nations is acceptable, but Russia doing the same is outrageous..

Here is some context.,the USG has instigated 100 covert and overt interventions of foreign elections in last 80 years.

 

[FortSanders]

This is a very Reaganesque view of the war in Ukraine.

"My fellow Americans,I speak to you today not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American who believes in freedom, in democracy, and in the sacred duty we have to stand against tyranny wherever it may rise.
For decades, the United States has been a shining city on a hill—a beacon of hope for those oppressed, a defender of liberty, and a friend to those who fight for their own freedom. That is who we are. That is who we have always been. And that is who we must remain.
Today, we see a tyrant in Moscow—Vladimir Putin, a man who mourns the fall of the Soviet Union, not because he seeks peace, but because he longs for empire. A man who crushes dissent, silences opponents, and wages war against a free and sovereign Ukraine.
And yet, we hear voices here at home—some even within our own party—who would rather appease this dictator than oppose him. Who would rather shake his hand than stand firm against his aggression. Who mock and belittle a man like President Zelensky, not because he has failed, but because he has dared to succeed. Because he has dared to resist. Because he has dared to stand on his feet and say, not today, not ever!Let me be clear: America does not cower before tyrants. America does not abandon its allies. America does not betray those who fight for the very ideals upon which this nation was founded.
Some would have us turn inward, retreat from the world stage, and cozy up to those who despise our way of life. But we have seen this story before, and we know how it ends. Weakness invites aggression. Silence encourages oppression. And appeasement? Appeasement is but a prelude to disaster.
So I ask you, my fellow Americans: Shall we stand with the man who jails his critics, poisons his opponents, and invades his neighbors? Or shall we stand with the man who fights—not for conquest, but for the right of his people to live in peace and liberty?If America is to remain the last, best hope of Earth, we must choose wisely. Because the free world still looks to us, as it always has. And I say, as I have always said: Mr. Putin, we will not yield. And Mr. Zelensky, we stand with you.God bless you, and God bless the United States of America"
https://x.com/DietmarPichler1/status/1892324009725100154/photo/1

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is a very Reaganesque view of the war in Ukraine.

"My fellow Americans,I speak to you today not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American who believes in freedom, in democracy, and in the sacred duty we have to stand against tyranny wherever it may rise.
For decades, the United States has been a shining city on a hill—a beacon of hope for those oppressed, a defender of liberty, and a friend to those who fight for their own freedom. That is who we are. That is who we have always been. And that is who we must remain.
Today, we see a tyrant in Moscow—Vladimir Putin, a man who mourns the fall of the Soviet Union, not because he seeks peace, but because he longs for empire. A man who crushes dissent, silences opponents, and wages war against a free and sovereign Ukraine.
And yet, we hear voices here at home—some even within our own party—who would rather appease this dictator than oppose him. Who would rather shake his hand than stand firm against his aggression. Who mock and belittle a man like President Zelensky, not because he has failed, but because he has dared to succeed. Because he has dared to resist. Because he has dared to stand on his feet and say, not today, not ever!Let me be clear: America does not cower before tyrants. America does not abandon its allies. America does not betray those who fight for the very ideals upon which this nation was founded.
Some would have us turn inward, retreat from the world stage, and cozy up to those who despise our way of life. But we have seen this story before, and we know how it ends. Weakness invites aggression. Silence encourages oppression. And appeasement? Appeasement is but a prelude to disaster.
So I ask you, my fellow Americans: Shall we stand with the man who jails his critics, poisons his opponents, and invades his neighbors? Or shall we stand with the man who fights—not for conquest, but for the right of his people to live in peace and liberty?If America is to remain the last, best hope of Earth, we must choose wisely. Because the free world still looks to us, as it always has. And I say, as I have always said: Mr. Putin, we will not yield. And Mr. Zelensky, we stand with you.God bless you, and God bless the United States of America"

I didn't read it all because it went downhill very quickly.

During Reagan's time (maybe you weren't around) the CIA through/with the Bush family ran a massive arms and drugs trafficking scam from South and Central America to the U.S. using federal assets including CIA, DOD, etc This generated billions in revenue. Yes, your government was selling drugs in the U.S. to fund arms going to terrorists and than arresting drug users and dealers. Reagan took the fall, meaning he said I didn't know (which I believe) but I was in charge and its my fault. If this happened today, I would like to think he would be apologizing for what the U.S. has been doing in the Ukraine and Europe, as this conflict didn't start in 2022 and was based greatly on what the U.S. has done.

Because the free world still looks to us, as it always has. And I say, as I have always said: Mr. Putin, we will not yield. And Mr. Zelensky, we stand with you.

Okay, same thing I said a year or two ago.... so what's the "plan"?

Since you apparently have a problem with thinking, run that by AI. Reagan was the best President and its not close in my lifetime, I can name seriously three things that he could have done better.... they're pretty big but in the scope of 8 years.... great job and hope he is RIP.

What your AI wrote is 1.) avoiding responsibility i.e. context and 2.) no plan.... .like many of the posters here, it actually lacks intelligence or common sense.

What do you think the Truth is, and regardless of the Truth.... what is the PLAN?