War in Ukraine

[hog88]

Go nuclear over the Ukraine? He gets removed by the Politburo/military before it gets close to that and I don’t think he anywhere close to being insane or suicidal.

You have more faith in his underlings than I do. I doubt there are many left in his inner circle that will stand up to him.

 

[hog88]

The paradoxical question: Are we incapable of engaging in conventional warfare because we’re too afraid that it would result in nuclear war?

Every single nuclear power should be afraid to risk a nuclear war over a conflict not threatening their sovereignty.

 

[volfanhill]

You have more faith in his underlings than I do. I doubt there are many left in his inner circle that will stand up to him.

Bingo. Dissenters were purged long ago. If you aren't a full fledged Putin sycophant you fell out a window by now.

 

[volbound1700]

France can always send in the FFL. Generally doesn’t bode well for whoever they’re facing.

FFL is overrated. They got butts spanked in Vietnam and Algeria in the 1950s.

 

[volbound1700]

We would roll Russia in a conventional war within weeks. Putin would then be very compelled to start launching nukes. Has nothing to do with incapable. Yes, I think Russia is the agressor. Yes, I think Putin is a thug. I had hoped Ukraine could pull off a win and send Russia packing. They can’t at this point unless the rest of Europe steps up bigly. Why must we babysit the whole of Europe every single conflict?

Kind of what I think, it was fun to cheer on Ukraine when it first started and I was ok with sending them some aid. Go back and read my posts in here. It is over now, they need to negotiate.

 

[BeardedVol]

Stopped after your 1st sentence. Finland just joined NATO. That’s 830 miles of new NATO border directly abutting Russia.

Yet… crickets from Russia.

Actually Russia decreased their military presence on the Finish border after they joined NATO.

Russia has moved almost all troops from Finnish border to Ukraine – photos

Despite Moscow's threats over Finland's NATO accession, Russian bases near the Finnish border are virtually empty as Russia has redeployed personnel and equipment from these bases to Ukraine. Source: Finnish broadcaster Yle, citing sources in intelligence, as reported by European Pravda Details...

www.yahoo.com

This was never about NATO. It was always about controlling what Putin believes to be "historical Russian lands".
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[volbound1700]

Actually Russia decreased their military presence on the Finish border after they joined NATO.

Russia has moved almost all troops from Finnish border to Ukraine – photos

Despite Moscow's threats over Finland's NATO accession, Russian bases near the Finnish border are virtually empty as Russia has redeployed personnel and equipment from these bases to Ukraine. Source: Finnish broadcaster Yle, citing sources in intelligence, as reported by European Pravda Details...

www.yahoo.com

This was never about NATO. It was always about controlling what Putin believes to be "historical Russian lands".
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100% agree with this statement. So, why should it concern us?

 

[VAVol85]

The United States is no longer the leader of the free world.

It was fun while it lasted.

Yea getting our young people killed and flushing $trillions down the drain while our allies stand on the sidelines and criticize. Good times!

 

[volfanhill]

The United States is no longer the leader of the free world.

It was fun while it lasted.

As leaders of the free world, which wars did we fight since WW2, that you think were wise?

 

[volbound1700]

As leaders of the free world, which wars did we fight since WW2 that you think were wise?

Korean War was somewhat successful.

We definitely had a better track record in 1800s though. Mexican-American and Spanish-American were very successful wars.

 

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[BeardedVol]

100% agree with this statement. So, why should it concern us?

Because we forced Ukraine to give up the very weapons that would have kept this from happening, on the assurances that we wouldn't allow another nuclear power to threaten them.

If we're going to renege on our agreement, then we should compensate them for their material loses in complying with our demands.

 

[volbound1700]

Because we forced Ukraine to give up the very weapons that would have kept this from happening, on the assurances that we wouldn't allow another nuclear power to threaten them.

If we're going to renege on our agreement, then we should compensate them for their material loses in complying with our demands.

So you want to go to war on a vague pledge that was performed over 30 years ago when both nations had very different leaders?

 

[BeardedVol]

So you want to go to war on a vague pledge that was performed over 30 years ago when both nations had very different leaders?

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Did you even read the second paragraph?

Here's what Ukraine gave op to comply with the Budapest Memorandum.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/ukraine-nuclear-disarmament/

 

[volbound1700]

Did you even read the second paragraph?

Here's what Ukraine gave op to comply with the Budapest Memorandum.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/ukraine-nuclear-disarmament/

Nice, this was signed in the early 1990s over 30 years ago. Let's go dig up other archaic treaties to start wars over.

 

[volfanhill]

Nice, this was signed in the early 1990s over 30 years ago. Let's go dig up other archaic treaties to start wars over.

So how do we, as a country, negotiate in a reliable way with the world? Can our word be trusted? What's the time limit?

 

[JFreak]

Nice, this was signed in the early 1990s over 30 years ago. Let's go dig up other archaic treaties to start wars over.

What's the statute of limitations on foreign multi-national agreements?

 

[Grand Vol]

This was never about NATO. It was always about controlling what Putin believes to be "historical Russian lands".
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Interesting they haven't gone after Belarus since it's "historical" Russian land...

Or any of the Stans for that matter.

 

[volfanhill]

Interesting they haven't gone after Belarus since it's "historical" Russian land...

Or any of the Stans for that matter.

Aren't they all vassal states to Russia anyway? Like Russia is to china.

 

[JFreak]

Interesting they haven't gone after Belarus since it's "historical" Russian land...

Or any of the Stans for that matter.

Haven't gone after them yet..

 

[CABVOL]

Hey - those of you who are so damn desperate to get into a war with Russia, are you all going to sign up to fight it?

Nah. They like their Birkenstocks too much.

 

[JFreak]

Hey - those of you who are so damn desperate to get into a war with Russia, are you all going to sign up to fight it?

Horrendous take. So if you're not taking up arms in the Israel/Palestine conflict you're not allowed to have an opinion on it?

No one wants US boots on the ground in Ukraine, but we are required to support them as stated in the Budapest Memorandum.

 

[Grand Vol]

Aren't they all vassal states to Russia anyway? Like Russia is to china.

There's an argument to be made for Belarus.

I think the Stans do their own thing and I'm not sure Russia wants a part of the mess they are anyway.

 

[CobbVol]

Because we forced Ukraine to give up the very weapons that would have kept this from happening, on the assurances that we wouldn't allow another nuclear power to threaten them.

If we're going to renege on our agreement, then we should compensate them for their material loses in complying with our demands.

Glad to see you are using the correct term now - assurances and not guarantees.