War in Ukraine

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Orange_Crush said:
At the very least, you have a non-military US presence there, which will stabilize the area. Russia is not going to go in and start attacking US civilians any more than the US is going to put boots on ground at Russia's back door. It's actually a great stabilizing idea.
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I am not talking about just Ukraine but Russia's offer for us to mine their minerals that Putin made. Let's do it. Get them dependent on us like China is. China thinks twice because they will miss selling all their crap to us in our market. IMO, this is why they haven't taken Taiwan yet. (I also think they will have a hard time taking and holding onto Taiwan, I could be wrong).
 
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lawgator1 said:
The long term solution to all of this is for the Russian people to realize the enormous economic success they could have if they ousted Putin and his ilk and had a truly free press and free elections.
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In a vacuum without any other factors I would agree. But things as they are I'm not sure we would like the next choice.

I believe things are critical for Russia, the next year could make or break them. We can't afford to keep footing the bill. If Russia gets desperate ...... That's a bad thing.
 
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hog88 said:
Between the revolution and Stalin the best and brightest Russia had were snuffed out, the Russian gene pool suffered.
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Russia has always taken the opposite approach to the American ideal. reliance on the government rather than independence.

they have always maintained control by limiting the non-government options, even before the USSR. they never allowed any real independence, or capitalism to rule. its why their east has never developed like the American west has.

its why Putin continues to push the us against the world narrative, far easier to maintain control if "they" are always the enemy. as long as Russia has a boogey man, Putin can sell his control as justified. it was that back to the czars.
 
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LouderVol said:
Russia has always taken the opposite approach to the American ideal. reliance on the government rather than independence.

they have always maintained control by limiting the non-government options, even before the USSR. they never allowed any real independence, or capitalism to rule. its why their east has never developed like the American west has.

its why Putin continues to push the us against the world narrative, far easier to maintain control if "they" are always the enemy. as long as Russia has a boogey man, Putin can sell his control as justified. it was that back to the czars.
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thats funny because half the russians i know are always showing me pictures of their, or their neighbors gardens where they grow more than half their food. rural russia reminds me of the Tennessee I grew up in. Id say the dynamic is more like they just pretend like the government doesn't exist so it can do whatever it wants, and in exchange it doesn't **** with them. Til a war breaks out.

Id call it less depending on the government than it is trying to avoid the notice of the government
 
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LouderVol said:
Russia has always taken the opposite approach to the American ideal. reliance on the government rather than independence.

they have always maintained control by limiting the non-government options, even before the USSR. they never allowed any real independence, or capitalism to rule. its why their east has never developed like the American west has.

its why Putin continues to push the us against the world narrative, far easier to maintain control if "they" are always the enemy. as long as Russia has a boogey man, Putin can sell his control as justified. it was that back to the czars.
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They did have a few small periods where they tried to be like the West. 1917 until Soviets took over was a brief time although even during Czar Nicholas II, they had a Duma and some type of democratic rule with the Soviets being the local rule (which gave the name to the Soviet Union).

However, they really tried it from 1991-1999 or so during the Yeltsin era. As you pointed out, the Russian people did not know how to handle capitalism and the system collapsed quickly. It is considered the worse time, standard of living wise, for Russia in the modern era. This is how a strongman, like Putin, came back into power. It was also 1991-1999 that saw the rise of all the Oligarchs who rose to power under a Capitalism regime that lived off the back of their people.

This last statement is becoming a problem in Europe and America as well because the current system is making it harder for small businesses to emerge and the continued dominance of rich families in control of mega-companies. It is a flaw of capitalism but the positive is that at least we have a chance (even if low). It is easier to climb the ladder in America than in a Monarchy in 18th Century Europe.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I kind of agree on some of this. I would say maybe we just need to listen to the Russians a little, they had real concerns for the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine and rightfully so, imo. Nobody really wants the Western Ukraine (edit from Eastern), which is really the problem.
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lol no they did not. that was just one of a multitude of lies that Putin used to justify his invasion after the fact. before even he had to admit that lie.
 
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apevol said:
thats funny because half the russians i know are always showing me pictures of their, or their neighbors gardens where they grow more than half their food. rural russia reminds me of the Tennessee I grew up in. Id say the dynamic is more like they just pretend like the government doesn't exist so it can do whatever it wants, and in exchange it doesn't **** with them. Til a war breaks out.

Id call it less depending on the government than it is trying to avoid the notice of the government
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Yah, I'd say the USSR left a deep enough scar when it comes to gov't reliability. Good post.


Except, shame on you for having Russian friends.
 
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One things for sure, Pam Bondi is so happy Zelensky and Trump acted a fool and took the spotlight right off her screw job of the Epstein release
 
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Zielinsky is going to lose this war. Unless your boys from Europe decide to send hundreds of thousands of troops. That's the only way. We'll see what Putin does then. Since you're such a pro Ukraine guy are you going to head over there and fight?
 
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dalton_vol said:
Zielinsky is going to lose this war. Unless your boys from Europe decide to send hundreds of thousands of troops. That's the only way. We'll see what Putin does then. Since you're such a pro Ukraine guy are you going to head over there and fight?
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who tf are you even talking to? theres like one guy here who even wants weapons sent there let alone troops
 
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dalton_vol said:
Zielinsky is going to lose this war. Unless your boys from Europe decide to send hundreds of thousands of troops. That's the only way. We'll see what Putin does then. Since you're such a pro Ukraine guy are you going to head over there and fight?
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Trump told him as much to his face but he didn’t listen.
 
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apevol said:
thats funny because half the russians i know are always showing me pictures of their, or their neighbors gardens where they grow more than half their food. rural russia reminds me of the Tennessee I grew up in. Id say the dynamic is more like they just pretend like the government doesn't exist so it can do whatever it wants, and in exchange it doesn't **** with them. Til a war breaks out.

Id call it less depending on the government than it is trying to avoid the notice of the government
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Yeah rural russia has to, but they never develop. which limits what most of us would call independence. I mean as a power that can actually support itself. they are kept far poorer than they otherwise would be.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah rural russia has to, but they never develop. which limits what most of us would call independence. I mean as a power that can actually support itself. they are kept far poorer than they otherwise would be.
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not saying you're wrong, just commenting on a strange sort of kinship i feel because of things ive noticed

i remember being the kid with grubby fingernails diggin taters up and getting ****ed up by packsaddles pickin corn




I ****in hate corn
 
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apevol said:
not saying you're wrong, just commenting on a strange sort of kinship i feel because of things ive noticed

i remember being the kid with grubby fingernails diggin taters up and getting ****ed up by packsaddles pickin corn




I ****in hate corn
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No I agree with your general stance. I was just giving some more explanations.

Most poor people have more in common with other nation's poor than they do their own elites. Its why they need to divide us, its why Putin needs us to be his boogey man.
 
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