War in Ukraine

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Gandalf said:
As long as they were doing dirty things for good reasons (for the benefit of the U S of A and maybe its allies) even if they got it wrong, I am mostly ok with that. The trouble is, I do not believe that is their primary motivation anymore.
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I think our main problem over the years has always our desire to always support the enemy of our enemy.
 
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85SugarVol said:
My God, what type of munition did this?

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HEAT round setting off secondaries from the tank ammo and fuel.

H.E.A.T. = High Explosive Anti Tank

The round generates a precursor plasma slug that burns thru the armor like a cutting torch and then the delayed primary charge blows up and is focused into the just bored hole. The damage occurs from inside out.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I think our main problem over the years has always our desire to always support the enemy of our enemy.
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The bigger problem is we support people for the sole purpose of helping our ruling class gain more power and wealth. There is no regard for the people where we install leadership or the people of this country.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
HEAT round setting off secondaries from the tank ammo and fuel.

H.E.A.T. = High Explosive Anti Tank

The round generates a precursor plasma slug that burns thru the armor like a cutting torch and then the delayed primary charge blows up and is focused into the just bored hole. The damage occurs from inside out.
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Appears to be a highly effective round!
 
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Reynolds: The more we talk, the more we’re using World War II analogies. There are people who are saying we’re on the brink of a World War III.
Hill: We’re already in it. We have been for some time. We keep thinking of World War I, World War II as these huge great big set pieces, but World War II was a consequence of World War I. And we had an interwar period between them. And in a way, we had that again after the Cold War. Many of the things that we’re talking about here have their roots in the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire at the end of World War I. At the end of World War II, we had another reconfiguration and some of the issues that we have been dealing with recently go back to that immediate post-war period. We’ve had war in Syria, which is in part the consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, same with Iraq and Kuwait.
All of the conflicts that we’re seeing have roots in those earlier conflicts. We are already in a hot war over Ukraine, which started in 2014. People shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking that we’re just on the brink of something. We’ve been well and truly in it for quite a long period of time.
But this is also a full-spectrum information war, and what happens in a Russian “all-of-society” war, you soften up the enemy. You get the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps doing your job for you. The fact that Putin managed to persuade Trump that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and that Trump would be willing to give up Ukraine without any kind of fight, that’s a major success for Putin’s information war. I mean he has got swathes of the Republican Party — and not just them, some on the left, as well as on the right — masses of the U.S. public saying, “Good on you, Vladimir Putin,” or blaming NATO, or blaming the U.S. for this outcome. This is exactly what a Russian information war and psychological operation is geared towards. He’s been carefully seeding this terrain as well. We’ve been at war, for a very long time. I’ve been saying this for years.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yep.

Who was it that was always worried about Russia?....
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Other nations don't fear Russia's conventional military, it is their massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons therefore they will continue to be ostracized until it is greatly reduced and they tone down their rhetoric to be willing to use them. I understand the US has a massive stockpile as well but to my knowledge we haven't seriously threatened to use them preemptively since the height of the Cold War. You can't play nice with someone who seems to be "willing" to use them whether true or not.
 
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Those of you saying china is the enemy, They have been stealing from us for a long time, but they are in pretty bad shape rn. damn near as broke as putins russia before all this. Lets deal with one at a time.
 
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tnmarktx said:
The bigger problem is we support people for the sole purpose of helping our ruling class gain more power and wealth. There is no regard for the people where we install leadership or the people of this country.
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I don't think that is true at all. You can argue that we support the wrong governments and maybe we do at times but no other country on the planet spends more money on foreign humanitarian aid than the US. Does it always get to the people that need it most? No, it doesn't but that isn't necessarily the fault of the US government. You can blame the US for a lot of the decisions it has made in terms of its interventionist strategies but you can't blame the US for not helping enough people in the World, that is simple untrue.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Those of you saying china is the enemy, They have been stealing from us for a long time, but they are in pretty bad shape rn. damn near as broke as putins russia before all this. Lets deal with one at a time.
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WTF, drugs can't be you excuse on this. You're completely insane. Why don't you give up all your stuff that was made in China and see what you have left.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Reynolds: The more we talk, the more we’re using World War II analogies. There are people who are saying we’re on the brink of a World War III.
Hill: We’re already in it. We have been for some time. We keep thinking of World War I, World War II as these huge great big set pieces, but World War II was a consequence of World War I. And we had an interwar period between them. And in a way, we had that again after the Cold War. Many of the things that we’re talking about here have their roots in the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire at the end of World War I. At the end of World War II, we had another reconfiguration and some of the issues that we have been dealing with recently go back to that immediate post-war period. We’ve had war in Syria, which is in part the consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, same with Iraq and Kuwait.
All of the conflicts that we’re seeing have roots in those earlier conflicts. We are already in a hot war over Ukraine, which started in 2014. People shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking that we’re just on the brink of something. We’ve been well and truly in it for quite a long period of time.
But this is also a full-spectrum information war, and what happens in a Russian “all-of-society” war, you soften up the enemy. You get the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps doing your job for you. The fact that Putin managed to persuade Trump that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and that Trump would be willing to give up Ukraine without any kind of fight, that’s a major success for Putin’s information war. I mean he has got swathes of the Republican Party — and not just them, some on the left, as well as on the right — masses of the U.S. public saying, “Good on you, Vladimir Putin,” or blaming NATO, or blaming the U.S. for this outcome. This is exactly what a Russian information war and psychological operation is geared towards. He’s been carefully seeding this terrain as well. We’ve been at war, for a very long time. I’ve been saying this for years.
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landscapingvol said:
I don't think that is true at all. You can argue that we support the wrong governments and maybe we do at times but no other country on the planet spends more money on foreign humanitarian aid than the US. Does it always get to the people that need it most? No, it doesn't but that isn't necessarily the fault of the US government. You can blame the US for a lot of the decisions it has made in terms of its interventionist strategies but you can't blame the US for not helping enough people in the World, that is simple untrue.
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Totally disagree. Our government, and this is not a new development, are the enemy of the people in it's own country. They don't care about us and they don't care about people in other countries. They are as corrupt as they come.
 
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