War in Ukraine

[Vol8188]

My guess would be to keep the situation from further escalating beyond Ukraine.

Russia is barely handling a war on one front. The idea that Russia would attempt any additional expansion seems absurd

 

[DC_Vol]

I feel bad for them too, especially the non die hards that have no choice in being there but don't kid yourselves there are thousands of brainwashed soldiers who are relishing this moment.

The majority of them are likely one year conscripts who just happened to draw the short straw in 2022.

 

[rjd970]

HEAT round setting off secondaries from the tank ammo and fuel.

H.E.A.T. = High Explosive Anti Tank

The round generates a precursor plasma slug that burns thru the armor like a cutting torch and then the delayed primary charge blows up and is focused into the just bored hole. The damage occurs from inside out.

That is the same thing as a shaped charge warhead right?

 

[Velo Vol]

Yet?

 

[MontyPython]

Interesting. Which leads me to think, given the sanctions imposed, removal from SWIFT, their cascading currency and failing banks in a matter of days…seems like Russia could be really exposed to a cyber attack that turns their lights out completely. Hmm, if only someone or some entity could show Ukraine how to do that.

If we only had an EMP device detonate just to the north of Kyiv...

 

[Velo Vol]

I'm sure they're feverishly working to get the information out there.

 

[MontyPython]

I wonder if the decision to cancel sending planes to Ukraine is because those countries think Russia will attack them and they need them for their defense?

IMO the plane cancellation - if accurate - was probably necessary because they would be sitting ducks on the airstrips in Ukraine. Also, Ukraine actually even said they would be basing these planes IN POLAND and then flying sorties to/from Ukraine. Guarantee that set off alarm bells, as such an arrangement would likely be interpreted as an act of war by Poland against Russia.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Russia is barely handling a war on one front. The idea that Russia would attempt any additional expansion seems absurd

Regarding history…Russia ALWAYS struggles early in a war but soon finds its footing. See especially the Winter War of 1939 against Finland. Hitler was so convinced of Soviet ineptitude that he soon launched his invasion with (after outstanding initial success) turned into Germany‘s greates historical disaster. The Swedish invasion of 1709 was another example. And of course, the most infamous example of early Russian failure followed by ultimate strength was Napoleon‘s 1812 Invasion. They do not train or prepare well, but they are ruthless in purging failing leaders once ineptitude is seen and if they stay in a conflict long enough, their limitless manpower reserves will eventually tell.

 

[Vol8188]

Regarding history…Russia ALWAYS struggles early in a war but soon finds its footing. See especially the Winter War of 1939 against Finland. Hitler was so convinced of Soviet ineptitude that he soon launched his invasion with (after outstanding initial success) turned into Germany‘s greates historical disaster. The Swedish invasion of 1709 was another example. And of course, the most infamous example of early Russian failure followed by ultimate strength was Napoleon‘s 1812 Invasion. They do not train or prepare well, but they are ruthless in purging failing leaders once ineptitude is seen and if they stay in a conflict long enough, their limitless manpower reserves will eventually tell.

No one has limitless manpower. You’re greatly overestimating Russia. They’re not the superpower many believe them to be and the 1700s have 0 to do with their military capabilities today

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Why didn't he take Ukraine when Trump was in office then? More left wing propaganda.

These people still live in a fantasy world where Putin totally controls Trump because of loans and pee tapes but for whatever reason he doesn't leverage this incredible power to take over Ukraine while his minion is in office.

 

[allvol123]

I'm sure they're feverishly working to get the information out there.

Loved he was disciplined enough to stick with “military operation”.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I actually feel great sorrow for these young men. From the look of things on the ground, it appears most have no desire to be there.

It sucks for them for sure. But as we are seeing in several posts they DO have a choice. If they choose to engage in urban warfare in Ukraine after the time they have had to figure out what’s going on I have no sympathy for them at this point. The grunts always bear the cost of the dictator’s wrapping himself in his own hubris

 

[hog88]

Reynolds: The more we talk, the more we’re using World War II analogies. There are people who are saying we’re on the brink of a World War III.
Hill: We’re already in it. We have been for some time. We keep thinking of World War I, World War II as these huge great big set pieces, but World War II was a consequence of World War I. And we had an interwar period between them. And in a way, we had that again after the Cold War. Many of the things that we’re talking about here have their roots in the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire at the end of World War I. At the end of World War II, we had another reconfiguration and some of the issues that we have been dealing with recently go back to that immediate post-war period. We’ve had war in Syria, which is in part the consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, same with Iraq and Kuwait.
All of the conflicts that we’re seeing have roots in those earlier conflicts. We are already in a hot war over Ukraine, which started in 2014. People shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking that we’re just on the brink of something. We’ve been well and truly in it for quite a long period of time.
But this is also a full-spectrum information war, and what happens in a Russian “all-of-society” war, you soften up the enemy. You get the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps doing your job for you. The fact that Putin managed to persuade Trump that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and that Trump would be willing to give up Ukraine without any kind of fight, that’s a major success for Putin’s information war. I mean he has got swathes of the Republican Party — and not just them, some on the left, as well as on the right — masses of the U.S. public saying, “Good on you, Vladimir Putin,” or blaming NATO, or blaming the U.S. for this outcome. This is exactly what a Russian information war and psychological operation is geared towards. He’s been carefully seeding this terrain as well. We’ve been at war, for a very long time. I’ve been saying this for years.

And this is why Hill should be ignored. She's a political operative.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Does anyone know if it's legal to buy roubles due to sanctions? Asking for a friend.

 

[MontyPython]

So with Russia demanding all citizens to leave Kyiv, this is where things get ugly and scary. Will they leave or will they resist?

Regardless of whether most civilians leave or not, I'd wager Russia will then use their standard MO to simply raze the entire city with artillery, rockets and bombs. Can the Ukrainian army survive and resist? Yes. But, there will be huge numbers of casualties including civilians.

When the world then sees the video of pure genocide and mutilated children and women, what will it do? Continue to sit on its collective hands and just watch innocent Ukrainians be blown to bits?

This is where the US and our allies *could* be compelled to "come to the rescue" of Ukraine. For moral reasons. To stop genocide.

Would this be wrong?

One thing's for sure: It would be WWIII.

 

[Majors]

Yet?

Need more death and destruction. Cant take away from State of The Union tonight with bold moves to save lives.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The ultimate consequence for Russia will be seen over the next decade with what will be Russia‘s greatest historical fear, a fully rearmed Germany. Even the anti military left is now rapidly coming on board for massive military spending. Germany has let the US handle their defense since the end of the Cold War. They are preparing to rebuild their own military now.
The Panzer divisions will be reappearing in droves.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This sucks ass. It's sad to me that the brave Ukrainians are most likely going to be overwhelmed by the Russians. It hurts my heart.

Did you have this concern when we were destroying Syria?

 

[Orangeburst]

Does anyone know if it's legal to buy roubles due to sanctions? Asking for a friend.

Rubbles should still be legal

 

[robbymoore94]

Regarding history…Russia ALWAYS struggles early in a war but soon finds its footing. See especially the Winter War of 1939 against Finland. Hitler was so convinced of Soviet ineptitude that he soon launched his invasion with (after outstanding initial success) turned into Germany‘s greates historical disaster. The Swedish invasion of 1709 was another example. And of course, the most infamous example of early Russian failure followed by ultimate strength was Napoleon‘s 1812 Invasion. They do not train or prepare well, but they are ruthless in purging failing leaders once ineptitude is seen and if they stay in a conflict long enough, their limitless manpower reserves will eventually tell.

Hitler's timing (winter), fighting on multiple fronts, and general madness also helped the Russians. None of which really applies here either.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That is the same thing as a shaped charge warhead right?

Kind of. A shaped charge is incorporated in the design. The shaped charge is the force behind the precursor plasma slug. For example a Claymore is a shaped charge but is not a HEAT round.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No one has limitless manpower. You’re greatly overestimating Russia. They’re not the superpower many believe them to be and the 1700s have 0 to do with their military capabilities today

Napoleon and Hitler made the same miscalculation.
The other biggest asset they have is landmass. There is no military objective you can capture to knock them out of a war. They retreat and retreat until their opponent is overextended

 

[Vol8188]

So with Russia demanding all citizens to leave Kyiv, this is where things get ugly and scary. Will they leave or will they resist?

I'd wager Russia will now use their standard MO to simply raze the entire city with artillery, rockets and bombs. Can the Ukrainian army survive and resist? Yes. But, there will be huge numbers of dead civilians.

When the world then sees the video of pure genocide and mutilated children and women, what will it do? Continue to sit on its collective hands and just watch innocent Ukrainians be blown to bits?

This is where the US and our allies *could* be compelled to "come to the rescue" of Ukraine. For moral reasons. To stop genocide.

Would this be wrong?

One thing's for sure: It would be WWIII.

No it won’t be WWIII. China has already begun to distance itself from Russia.

 

[Vol8188]

Napoleon and Hitler made the same miscalculation.
The other biggest asset they have is landmass. There is no military objective you can capture to knock them out of a war. They retreat and retreat until their opponent is overextended

No one is attempting to enter/occupy Russia. Their landmass is irrelevant

 

[PEPPERJAX]

The ultimate consequence for Russia will be seen over the next decade with what will be Russia‘s greatest historical fear, a fully rearmed Germany. Even the anti military left is now rapidly coming on board for massive military spending. Germany has let the US handle their defense since the end of the Cold War. They are preparing to rebuild their own military now.
The Panzer divisions will be reappearing in droves.

Electric eco friendly panzers?