War in Ukraine

[Septic]

Putin back-channeled a nuke threat? Or Biden's handlers vetoed the transfer, only 2 logical options.

Do you believe other NATO leaders didn't get a say so in this?

I ask because generally, It's been fascinating to see some folks want to blame and discredit the U.S. for the "bad" and give all of the credit to the European leaders when the sanctions turned out to have much more bite than what was initially mocked.

 

[InVOLuntary]

These people still live in a fantasy world where Putin totally controls Trump because of loans and pee tapes but for whatever reason he doesn't leverage this incredible power to take over Ukraine while his minion is in office.

What's funny is all the Russian collusion ultimately leads back to the dems. Every last thing. From the Steele Dossier to the Crimea (mentioned in the article, to Hntwr Biden taking millions from the mayor of Moscow.

 

[Orangeburst]

Electric eco friendly panzers?

Actually not a bad idea once directed energy weapons are more effectively implemented
well armored vehicles not necessarily tanks

 

[Vol8188]

Do you believe other NATO leaders didn't get a say so in this?

I ask because generally, It's been fascinating to see some folks want to blame and discredit the U.S. for the "bad" and give all of the credit to the European leaders when the sanctions turned out to have much more bite than what was initially mocked.

How can you defend sanctions that didn’t include Russian oil/natural gas?

With that said, I 100% agree other NATO leaders are largely to blame. Especially Germany. But that doesn’t prevent us from having our own additional sanctions and encouraging others to join.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Possibly Japan in 1904-05?

Good catch. That one was very unwise by the Tsar. The Russian resource advantages are nullified when every bullet has to travel a single rail track, cross continental rail line that takes a week to complete. Plus it was largely a naval based war. The Russian Bear is fearsome on land but never fearsome at sea.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Putin back-channeled a nuke threat? Or Biden's handlers vetoed the transfer, only 2 logical options.

My first thought was that Putin gave them his terms.

 

[MontyPython]

You can’t call them “near nuclear” if the sanctions did not effect the Russian oil/natural gas exports. The sanctions were weak. It would be like sanctions against Columbia that don’t include cocaine and coffee

This is ignorant.

Plus, the West still has that silver bullet, if need be.

 

[OHvol40]

The main argument I am trying to make is that early conclusions based on initial Russian incompetence are usually mistaken as they have the resources to continue a fight much longer than their opponents. And they have shown a historical tendency to continue fights until their resources come to beat.

This is all true, but carrying on a war as the aggressor when basically the whole world condemns your actions is different than defending your homeland with the support of large world powers. Not to mention the domestic support/resolve are miles apart comparatively. The siege of Stalingrad and the invasion of Ukraine can’t really be compared.

 

[MontyPython]

I asked basically the same thing last night and I was told I was stupid to think we would do anything since Putin has nukes. Curious if those response are the same or different today or tomorrow.

Yep, Putin has nukes. So do we. So do alot of countries.

Would Putin ever use them offensively? God help us, if yes. But, Moscow would be turned to glass. He has to know this, as do all of his advisors.

 

[Vol8188]

This is ignorant.

Plus, the West still has that silver bullet, if need be.

It’s ignorant to praise sanctions that don’t include Russia’s largest export. Idk how anyone could defend such ignorance

 

[Vol8188]

I asked basically the same thing last night and I was told I was stupid to think we would do anything since Putin has nukes. Curious if those response are the same or different today or tomorrow.

That doesn’t change anything. If he uses them, his country will be obliterated.

 

[MontyPython]

No it won’t be WWIII. China has already begun to distance itself from Russia.

Mhhmmm.

And if the US, West and Russia go to war, what if China views that as the opportunity to take Taiwan?

 

[MontyPython]

And take out most of Europes power grid?

Heh. A focused EMP blast... just like in the movies, eh.

 

[allvol123]

Yep. Pathetic. They need to loosen regulations and work on trade deals with Germany

If Biden’s SOTU tonight doesn’t say the equivalent of “we are doing everything to remove barriers to exploration, extraction, etc” .

Then he failed.

 

[Vol8188]

Mhhmmm.

And if the US, West and Russia go to war, what if China views that as the opportunity to take Taiwan?

Idk what that has to do with anything. If anything they should be encouraged to do so already given how weak the sanctions have been.

 

[05_never_again]

You can’t call them “near nuclear” if the sanctions did not effect the Russian oil/natural gas exports. The sanctions were weak. It would be like sanctions against Columbia that don’t include cocaine and coffee

I would agree with you if their major banks weren't removed from SWIFT and they also didn't sanction the Russian Central Bank. Look at the impact it has had on their financial markets. It is not an exaggeration to say that the Russian financial system completely collapsed over the weekend, and we'll see the fallout of that over the coming weeks and months. There have already been some panicky activity at banks (pull up a chart of SBRCY) and electronic payments not going through. Imported products are about to become insanely expensive because their currency collapsed.

 

[OHvol40]

It’s ignorant to praise sanctions that don’t include Russia’s largest export. Idk how anyone could defend such ignorance

The proof is in the already drastic effects he pointed out. If the cure is worse than the disease (like cutting off fuel from Europe would be for them), then you don’t take the medicine, especially if there are alternatives that still achieve the desired effect.

 

[Vol8188]

The proof is in the already drastic effects he pointed out. If the cure is worse than the disease (like cutting off fuel from Europe would be for them), then you don’t take the medicine, especially if there are alternatives that still achieve the desired effect.

This alone points out how bad current US and European energy policy is, but we could cut off Russian fuel today and make up the difference between Canada, the US, and the middle east. And obviously doing so would have a much larger effect than the current.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

NATO is not going to be the aggressor. We are not going to give him a reason. We have him in a bind already. Ukraine and Russia are going to have to handle this. We are doing all we can. Hearing the fcc and intelligence community are investigating any media outlets with ties to russia fyi.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The siege of Stalingrad and the invasion of Ukraine can’t really be compared.

The comparison I wish to make is only that initial appraisals of Russian military prowess based on early performance should never be extrapolated into the ultimate outcome of the conflict. Stalingrad only happened because Hitler got overconfident based on poor Soviet performance early on.
Put in Volnation terms, Russia is a LOUSY first half team, but they have the depth to crush you late in the Game.

 

[MontyPython]

The proof is in the already drastic effects he pointed out. If the cure is worse than the disease (like cutting off fuel from Europe would be for them), then you don’t take the medicine, especially if there are alternatives that still achieve the desired effect.

Precisely. Germany would have to cut off 60% of its gas for heating homes in the middle of winter.

As an aside, Germany also just announced that it was accelerating the construction of 2 LPG terminals, so that it can receive gas from sources other than its Russian pipeline.

 

[Vol8188]

I would agree with you if their major banks weren't removed from SWIFT and they also didn't sanction the Russian Central Bank. Look at the impact it has had on their financial markets. It is not an exaggeration to say that the Russian financial system completely collapsed over the weekend, and we'll see the fallout of that over the coming weeks and months. There have already been some panicky activity at banks (pull up a chart of SBRCY) and electronic payments not going through. Imported products are about to become insanely expensive because their currency collapsed.

Did that change? If my memory is correct they were initially not removed from SWIFT when the first sanctions were listed. Then they said they would remove some but not all.

 

[robbymoore94]

The comparison I wish to make is only that initial appraisals of Russian military prowess based on early performance should never be extrapolated into the ultimate outcome of the conflict. Stalingrad only happened because Hitler got overconfident based on poor Soviet performance early on.
Put in Volnation terms, Russia is a LOUSY first half team, but they have the depth to crush you late in the Game.

But do they today? Historically, they have been a second half team, so to speak. However, just from what we get to see, it does not appear many of their fighters are "all in" on this offensive. Hard to come out swinging if you do not want to be in the fight in the first place.

 

[OHvol40]

This alone points out how bad current US and European energy policy is, but we could cut off Russian fuel today and make up the difference between Canada, the US, and the middle east. And obviously doing so would have a much larger effect than the current.

The Russian financial system is in shambles. The fossil fuel boycott isn’t necessary. You have a point about reliance on outside sources being problematic, especially from hostile/volatile states but long term we all know that could be much more simply solved, like for instance subsidizing a resurgence of nuclear.

 

[NCFisher]

Of course there are....lots of fake news that needs to be exposed as well.

Just no; this is a pathetic take.
There's one ***** truth here and that is Russia invaded Ukraine. I don't give a shite what means Ukraine uses to garner support; they have absolute moral right of way here.