War in Ukraine

[hog88]

Russia will eventually win against Ukraine. I think they f'd themselves up the ass permanently, though. They will never be part of the world stage again after this major disaster.

Yeah they will. By the end of the year most of the sanctions will be gone or worked around. They (western leaders) aren't going to hurt their buddy too bad.

 

[WBO]

Why don't we show Xi but stop buying products made in China? I bet that would work out just fine right now.

Russia and Ukraine have a messy history going back centuries. Much more recent history was the Holodomor which occurred in the 1930s in Ukraine. It's been mostly swept under the rug by mainstream press here in the U.S. and mainstream academics. It's also something the left does not like to discuss as it involved communists killing innocent civilians.

That hatred eventually led to the rise of people like Stepan Bandera and why many Ukrainians sided with Nazi Germany during World War 2. And why there are still groups and people in Ukraine who are ultranationist and have had hatred for Russians even to this day.

I'm sorry but you won't find a bigger hawk when it comes to Russia. I am also liberal. So when you say something like "the left does not like to discuss . . . " you're really full of crap. I get tired of people on here (not saying this is you, explaining why I am irritated by these statements). I've found over the years that the people who describe themselves as patriots never bothered to serve in the military. There were a lot of liberals who served with me and they don't deserve these negative comments.

 

[85SugarVol]

Ever heard of Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne, Berlin?

Dresden was a dark chapter

 

[DonjoVol]

I'm sorry but you won't find a bigger hawk when it comes to Russia. I am also liberal. So when you say something like "the left does not like to discuss . . . " you're really full of crap. I get tired of people on here (not saying this is you, explaining why I am irritated by these statements). I've found over the years that the people who describe themselves as patriots never bothered to serve in the military. There were a lot of liberals who served with me and they don't deserve these negative comments.

I served as well and I can have any opinion I damn well please.

 

[DonjoVol]

I'm sorry but you won't find a bigger hawk when it comes to Russia. I am also liberal. So when you say something like "the left does not like to discuss . . . " you're really full of crap. I get tired of people on here (not saying this is you, explaining why I am irritated by these statements). I've found over the years that the people who describe themselves as patriots never bothered to serve in the military. There were a lot of liberals who served with me and they don't deserve these negative comments.

So let's discuss the Holodomor. What do you know about it?

 

[hog88]

Dresden was a dark chapter

It truly was but Hamburg was worse for civilian casualties, then there is Tokyo. Estimated 130k civilians killed.

Now, should we feel any guilt for any of it, not 1 bit.

 

[Vol423]

Why don't we show Xi but stop buying products made in China? I bet that would work out just fine right now.

You have no idea how much of the stuff that you buy comes from China. For example, even a lot of the stuff that you buy that says Made in America or some other country contains tons of parts or even sub-assemblies that were made in China.

 

[AM64]

Yeah they will. By the end of the year most of the sanctions will be gone or worked around. They (western leaders) aren't going to hurt their buddy too bad.

Some Russians pumping money into campaign contributions (even if it's illegal) will sooth all the feathers they need to get in our good graces again - or at least the good graces of those who count. Who knows there might be a new variant of the Marshall Plan to repair the hit the Russian economy took ... and pump up Russian stocks that congress and others invested in - not that it would be a conflict of interest or anything.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You didn't really expect our super wealthy not to exploit the situation did you? You can bet members of congress are going to come out with nice gains like they did with the covid debacle where most people lost.

These are crooked banksters we have controlling us. They likely forced a lot of people to sell with sanctions, which drove down the price and then these vultures come in and buy it up at pennies on the dollar. These are nothing but racketeers... legalized racketeers.

 

[MontyPython]

So, big view from above...

This was the 'final straw' for Putin. We green-lighted Ukraine's admission to NATO last November.

From then on, Moscow was in war mode...

U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah they will. By the end of the year most of the sanctions will be gone or worked around. They (western leaders) aren't going to hurt their buddy too bad.

JPM and Goldman will make a killing. The sanctions forced people to sell and then they come in and take advantage of depressed assets.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You have no idea how much of the stuff that you buy comes from China. For example, even a lot of the stuff that you buy that says Made in America or some other country contains tons of parts or even sub-assemblies that were made in China.

So the pain is too much and price too high to do the right thing?

 

[AM64]

You have no idea how much of the stuff that you buy comes from China. For example, even a lot of the stuff that you buy that says Made in America or some other country contains tons of parts or even sub-assemblies that were made in China.

Sure wish somebody would grow balls over the Taiwan/China thing and make it "Made in China" or "Made in Commie China", but I'm sure the guys who run Apple and some others would get their panties in a wad over that. We also need to address how much is "Made in America" ... if we can do it with food labels ...

 

[AM64]

JPM and Goldman will make a killing. The sanctions forced people to sell and then they come in and take advantage of depressed assets.

I don't disagree with the sanctions if it's the only weapon available to us - and it seems to be, but I do disagree with those in the loop as profiteers.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I'm sorry but you won't find a bigger hawk when it comes to Russia. I am also liberal. So when you say something like "the left does not like to discuss . . . " you're really full of crap. I get tired of people on here (not saying this is you, explaining why I am irritated by these statements). I've found over the years that the people who describe themselves as patriots never bothered to serve in the military. There were a lot of liberals who served with me and they don't deserve these negative comments.

No one has to have served to have a valid and informed opinion on political affairs.

 

[Paper_Towel]

Give them hell guys

Slava Ukraini! Heroyam Slava!

 

[Vol423]

So the pain is too much and price too high to do the right thing?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the due to the ignorance and corruption of U.S. government officials and CEO's over the past 30+ years, we don't have the ability to produce a very large percentage of the products that Americans consume and/or need regularly. Completely cutting off all purchases from China is a great idea in theory. In reality, it isn't the least bit practical in the near-term, and it will likely never happen.

 

[DonjoVol]

You have no idea how much of the stuff that you buy comes from China. For example, even a lot of the stuff that you buy that says Made in America or some other country contains tons of parts or even sub-assemblies that were made in China.

Oh I'm well aware. Which is why I was being sarcastic in my initial comment.

 

[Orangeburst]

No one has to have served to have a valid and informed opinion on political affairs.

A rational Hunderwadel comment...Ok Mrs Hunerwadel, what did you do with Mr Hunerwadel?

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the due to the ignorance and corruption of U.S. government officials and CEO's over the past 30+ years, we don't have the ability to produce a very large percentage of the products that Americans consume and/or need regularly. Completely cutting off all purchases from China is a great idea in theory. In reality, it isn't the least bit practical in the near-term, and it will likely never happen.

Sad.

 

[landscapingvol]

Truman was the president when the French complained. Not until China and USSR got involved did the US care.

How the Vietnam War Ratcheted Up Under 5 U.S. Presidents

Harry Truman
State Department officials in Asia warned Harry Truman, who became president in 1945 upon Roosevelt’s death, that French rule of Vietnam would lead to “bloodshed and unrest.” But Truman did not share his predecessor’s anti-colonialism and ultimately acquiesced to the reestablishment of France’s prewar empire, which he hoped would shore up France’s economy and national pride.

No sooner did the French arrive back in Vietnam, with the guns of World War II barely gone cold, than fighting broke out against Ho’s Viet Minh forces. At first, the United States remained officially neutral, even as it avoided any contact with Ho. In 1947, however, Truman asserted that U.S. foreign policy was to assist any country whose stability is threatened by communism. Then the outbreak of the Korean War in 1950, plus the flow of aid from China and the Soviet Union to the Viet Minh, prompted Truman to reexamine Vietnam in a Cold War light.

Understood but Vietnam didn’t gain it’s independence from the French until 1954, it’s hard to be recognized when you are still technically under French control

 

[AM64]

Sure wouldn't want to go to war with Ukrainian farmers.

 

[Gandalf]

Russia will eventually win against Ukraine. I think they f'd themselves up the ass permanently, though. They will never be part of the world stage again after this major disaster.

This is the thing. I may not like it but yes the sanctions will fade in time, sooner than we expected probably. Meanwhile Russia will rule Ukraine. Nations will do business with them because Russia has stuff they want.