War in Ukraine

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Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Safronov, Commander of the 61st Separate Marine Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, and Lieutenant Colonel Denis Glebov, Deputy Commander of the 11th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, were killed.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don’t disagree with the bolded. And largely agree with you get what you elect, and you can vote them out or move.

But let’s just go back to where we started with this:



I just want to put an end to the charade that the police would not support such things. They did it with COVID in a lot of jurisdictions. And no matter how you may want to minimize it: just some people, just some fines, just in liberal **** holes. It happened, and it was more than a fine.

As a result of the laws that the police helped enforce, people lost businesses and livelihoods. You seem fine minimizing it, but it’s a big deal. I saw it happen to several people. They had to close their business while big boxes stayed open. They had to meet onerous PPE requirements that they couldn’t afford while the big chains had no issue.

And I guarantee you you’d have the same lame arguments if we were talking about forced vaccinations, vaccine passports, or a gun grab.

Ras was on they money here.
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Then have businesses sue your local city councils. I don’t know what you want me to say. If 5% of all “police” enforced these ordinances you hated because 95% of normally run cities and states didn’t have that issue and the police wasn’t involved , it’s disingenuous to act like forced vaccinations and gun grabbing is even on the table or that any police would enforce them. Would DC police or Portland? Maybe. Would 98% if everyone else? Doubtful.
It’s why the conspiracy morons who think any gun control confiscation would ever happen in the US are morons not based in reality. And Ras also said other crazy BS about this crap so using him as an example you agree with shows a lot
 
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Angry dock workers in the UK are refusing to unload Russian oil due to Ukraine invasion

LONDON — Dock workers in Britain are taking a stand against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with ports in the country refusing to unload Russian oil and gas.

Tough sanctions from the U.K. government mean that Russian ships are not allowed to dock at British ports. However, a loophole means that Russian goods and energy can still be transported into the country using foreign ships — there is currently no blockade on oil and gas from Russia.

It appears that workers at these ports are now taking matters into their own hands.

Essar Group, which runs the Stanlow refinery in northwest England, said a German-flagged vessel had been given approval to berth at the nearby Tranmere Oil Terminal on the River Mersey. However, Sharon Graham, the general secretary of U.K. union Unite, said that her members will “under no circumstances unload any Russian oil regardless of the nationality of the vessel which delivers it.”

“I am very proud of @unitetheunion’s members taking a principled stand to prevent Russian oil coming to our ports,” she added via a tweet early on Sunday.

“But it is appalling that they have been put in this position by the @GOVUK, which is still dragging its feet on sanctions.”

“These staff are determined to show their support for the Ukrainian people and uphold the sanctions imposed against Russia.”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Then have businesses sue your local city councils. I don’t know what you want me to say. If 5% of all “police” enforced these ordinances you hated because 95% of normally run cities and states didn’t have that issue and the police wasn’t involved , it’s disingenuous to act like forced vaccinations and gun grabbing is even on the table or that any police would enforce them. Would DC police or Portland? Maybe. Would 98% if everyone else? Doubtful.
It’s why the conspiracy morons who think any gun control confiscation would ever happen in the US are morons not based in reality. And Ras also said other crazy BS about this crap so using him as an example you agree with shows a lot
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Except nothing I said was a conspiracy. They were facts.

Your arguments were nothing more than empty rationalizations and smears of conspiracy theories.

Making hypotheticals about what might happen isn’t conspiratorial. It’s rational thought.

I think the takeaway is: if the police cannot be trusted with smaller liberty issues, they cannot be trusted with bigger ones.

And the bigger ones very well might occur. You would have called me a nut if I theorized in 2019 that the police one day might be used to ensure the majority of businesses in a given area were closed to the public. You should at least consider that before calling any other scenario ridiculous.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Then have businesses sue your local city councils. I don’t know what you want me to say. If 5% of all “police” enforced these ordinances you hated because 95% of normally run cities and states didn’t have that issue and the police wasn’t involved , it’s disingenuous to act like forced vaccinations and gun grabbing is even on the table or that any police would enforce them. Would DC police or Portland? Maybe. Would 98% if everyone else? Doubtful.
It’s why the conspiracy morons who think any gun control confiscation would ever happen in the US are morons not based in reality. And Ras also said other crazy BS about this crap so using him as an example you agree with shows a lot
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What good does that do once a business is shut down and the owners are bankrupt? Plus, you can't place your faith in the courts anymore.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I always love this argument. And actually in a sense it is correct, but...... However, apply that to the rental house you own. Who is paying the mortgage/taxes on that? If you say the renter, then why don't they get credit for those taxes/interest paid?
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Because the renter is not the owner. I own rental property. When my taxes, insurance etc goes up, my rent goes up. I don't absorb those increased cost.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They are likely not pushing through with a "break everything in sight" strategy. Had that been the case, it would have been like a hot knife through butter.
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Nah. I think they vastly underestimated the amount of resistance they would encounter.

Remember that video of a Russian transport plane getting shot down while attempting to land? What major superpower, or really any competent military for that matter, wouldn't have swept the area of SAMs before attempting such a thing? It seems like major incompetence is also contributing to their struggles.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Because the renter is not the owner. I own rental property. When my taxes, insurance etc goes up, my rent goes up. I don't absorb those increased cost.
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And neither does the business. Thus is your paradox. If you as the owner (business) are paying the taxes vice your renter, then so is the business (Walmart for example) paying taxes. When Walmart's costs go up.. they pass them on just like you said. Patrons of Walmart don't 'own' that business either.... they are the same as your renter.

I get what you are saying, but you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
 
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Matt2496 said:
The Russian military is a paper tiger.

Change my mind.
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It has always been even at its height during WW2 it relied on questionable strategies of full frontal assaults with large masses of soldiers to overwhelm the Germans with sheer numbers. There was never any real tactical strategy involved in their plans of attack. It is precisely what they have tried to do in Ukraine; overwhelm them a huge buildup of tanks and soldiers but if it fails there is no plan b, no battlefield adjustments. For all of the shortcomings in the US military there have been some pretty brilliant strategists, even going back to WW1 Pershing was unwilling to engage in the status quo of static trench warfare.
 
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Matt2496 said:
The Russian military is a paper tiger.

Change my mind.
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One thing seems increasingly true with each passing day: as pointed out in this video and elsewhere, it's got some huge logistical problems once you extend it beyond the reach of railroads. Apparently UKR destroyed the rails at the northern border, so it's slow going once they get more than 100 miles inland

 
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Vol737 said:
Then to the novice spectator like me, that would cast doubt on the claim that Vlad is holding back his A team pit bulls from combat action.
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Meanwhile, the Ukrainians are bringing 18 year olds with 3 days of training, grandmothers, Nazis, French Foreign Legion, volunteers from Western Europe and Middle East mercenaries...
 
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