War in Ukraine

[Rickyvol77]

The procedures were stupid and put lives at risk.

No they didn’t. Just because you don’t understand or disagree with a doctor’s diagnosis doesn’t make it stupid or dangerous. And even if it did you suggesting to execute them is sheer lunacy

 

[tvolsfan]

I don’t know how I feel about that. I know we need to get weapons and planes to Ukraine, but I don’t really know if we should dare Russia to attack Poland.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What good does that do once a business is shut down and the owners are bankrupt? Plus, you can't place your faith in the courts anymore.

I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you

 

[RavinDave]

Why in the world would it mean that?
Why wouldn't it mean "stop indiscriminately bombing and murdering innocent civilians and sit down for some legitimate negotiation"?

You think Putin would not lash out?

 

[luthervol]

You think Putin would not lash out?

Only if he wants to be solely responsible for WWIII and the complete destruction of Russia.

 

[allvol123]

I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you

Most of his arguments begin with “They”.

 

[RavinDave]

Only if he wants to be solely responsible for WWIII and the complete destruction of Russia.

We cannot safely assume the man is that rational.

 

[tnmarktx]

I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you

In general, our gov is and has been corrupted for years. They clearly do not hold the best interest of the people living in this country in high regard. The justice system is part of that corruption. The media lies. I'm sure there are some great LEO's, most of my interactions have told me a lot are concerned to see if I'm doing 5 mph over the speed limit.

 

[SlipKidVol]

Why in the world would it mean that?
Why wouldn't it mean "stop indiscriminately bombing and murdering innocent civilians and sit down for some legitimate negotiation"?

Again. Open your mouth and prove it

 

[happy-go_vol]

I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you

The fact is, only need a few in gov to be against you. You think those fisa courts are really objective?

 

[Gandalf]

Why in the world would it mean that?
Why wouldn't it mean "stop indiscriminately bombing and murdering innocent civilians and sit down for some legitimate negotiation"?

Its not likely to be deliberate but the much greater possibility is something accidental that then escalates. Indeed, in the 2019 simulation, that was exactly what led to escalation, Just because we set up a no fly zone doesnt mean they would stop flying sorties to protect their ground troops. Having nearly hostile fighters flying that close in airspace is a recipe for WW3.

 

[KB5252]

So you agree that YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are censoring dissenting voices because they don't like the truth coming out. Right?

Yes, they have. What does that have to do with this guy though?

 

[KB5252]

What goes that video have to do with Russian tv? That guy is a Chilean-American.

Who happens to have been featured on Russian state TV, more than once i hear.

 

[MontyPython]

Now, do you think this is real or is it just a clever meme?

Real bro. Seen the full tape.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Why in the world would it mean that?
Why wouldn't it mean "stop indiscriminately bombing and murdering innocent civilians and sit down for some legitimate negotiation"?

For one, the two countries are at an impasse. Putin isn't taking his ball and going home, Ukraine isn't giving up their land.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you

Forgive my ignorance, but what's with the repeated suggestion of Ras believing that medical professionals, etc are evil/out to get him?

I hadn't come to that conclusion in the Rona thread.

 

[luthervol]

We cannot safely assume the man is that rational.

So we allow him to hold the world hostage?
What if he said "remove the sanctions or I'll view it as an act of war"? Which he sort of did.
Do we let his threat force us to remove the sanctions because he might be so irrational as to mean it?

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[kiddiedoc]

Only if he wants to be solely responsible for WWIII and the complete destruction of the world.

This is what scares me.

 

[MontyPython]

I don’t know how I feel about that. I know we need to get weapons and planes to Ukraine, but I don’t really know if we should dare Russia to attack Poland.

It would be full-on insane for Putin to open another front right now with NATO. He's already getting his ass whooped by just Ukraine.

And, oh by the way, Russia's financial world just fell off the edge of the planet. Oligarchs not happy.

Send the planes. Send the kitchen sink.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It would be full-on insane for Putin to open another front right now with NATO. He's already getting his ass whooped by just Ukraine.

Send the planes. Send the kitchen sink.

You must believe we have a helluva lot better missile defense system than I do.

 

[luthervol]

For one, the two countries are at an impasse. Putin isn't taking his ball and going home, Ukraine isn't giving up their land.

It certainly appears one side is far more justified in their position than the other.

 

[MontyPython]

You must believe we have a helluva lot better missile defense system than I do.

MAD still exists. If Putin launches missiles, he and all his advisors know one thing for certain: MIRVs will be incoming. Everyone dies.

Agree on our untested defense btw.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Based on how often NATO members update their contributed hardware and meet their funding commitments that actually sounds legit.

 

[MontyPython]

The only way to deal with a bully is to grow a set and punch him square in the nose.

Putin will fall. Change will come.