War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Seems a no fly zone would help level the field.

Who is going to establish the no fly zone?

 

[EasternVol]

Putin said sanctions were an act of war.

That was bluster

 

[825VOL]

You are not doing the Ukrainians any favors by saying that.

Not if your pro-Russian. The only agreement Ukraine should agree to is the complete removal of all Russian forces from every inch of their soil-including Crimea and this "disputed" territories. Then once their boundaries are no longer disputed, they should join Nato. Russia has already invaded them 3 separate times in a decade. There is no way they can take any treaty or agreement with Russia as anything more than useful toilet paper.

 

[luthervol]

Why should we be looking for wars that don't involve us? That is stupid... and evil.

Watching innocent civilians being slaughtered immediately involve the viewer.

That's like walking down the sidewalk, seeing a couple of guys beating an old lady, and doing nothing because it didn't involve you. Once you see it, you're involved.........like it or not.

 

[volfanhill]

You are not doing the Ukrainians any favors by saying that.

It would put US/ NATO military in combat with the Russians. No thank you. I am not interested in escalating this. Keep pounding with sanctions. If he gets any nastier cut off all oil/natural gas purchases. That's the next escalation move for us.

 

[luthervol]

Yeah, let's lob a nuke in Moscow! That will show them Ruskies!

Evidently the fear of us actually doing that would be tactically appropriate.

 

[luthervol]

But ethnic Russians in Donbas were being shelled by the Ukrainians.

Were they?
Link?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Watching innocent civilians being slaughtered immediately involve the viewer.

That's like walking down the sidewalk, seeing a couple of guys beating an old lady, and doing nothing because it didn't involve you. Once you see it, you're involved.........like it or not.

You keep saying that, yet there was no action, outrage or weeping and gnashing of teeth when Africa, Syria, Afghanistan or Kosovo was dealing with the same situation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Were they?
Link?

Didn't you post it this past weekend?

War in Ukraine - Post #13,293

 

[luthervol]

There was ample opportunity to negotiate between 2014 and now.

Never to late to negotiate.
Now what was Russia's justification for invading Ukraine again?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Never to late to negotiate.
Now what was Russia's justification for invading Ukraine again?

To stop the shelling in Donbas of ethnic Russians and stop any notions of NATO setting foot in Ukraine.

 

[luthervol]

Who is going to establish the no fly zone?

I don't care. Let's say the US, UK, France, and Poland.

 

[luthervol]

That was bluster

How do we know that is bluster but his threats over a no fly zone are not?

 

[EasternVol]

How do we know that is bluster but his threats over a no fly zone are not?

Sanctions are not an act of war. Establishment of a no fly zone means we will attack any Russian aircraft operating in that zone. Such attack is clearly an act of war.

 

[WBO]

I remember him being racist as heck when he was running against Obama

I don't. I remember him telling a woman that Obama was a good man as well as not being muslim (although that shouldn't be disqualifying). I also remember W started a whisper campaign about McCain's daughter in the SC primary.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Patricia Arquette Torched for Demanding Russia’s Expulsion from NATO, Blames Her Dyslexia

Patricia Arquette is an Oscar-winning actress but when it comes to current events, the Boyhood star deserves a Golden Raspberry for dumbest tweet of the year.

In her since-deleted tweet, Arquette demanded that Russia be kicked out of NATO, apparently not realizing that Russia never was part of NATO and that the organization was created in part to contain Soviet expansion.

Patricia Arquette Torched for Demanding Russia's Expulsion from NATO, Blames Her Dyslexia

 

[AM64]

Whatever honor the man amassed during his first 30 years on earth was thrown away by being a slimy politician the last 30 years of his life. You are free to have your opinion on this as are others that disagree with you.

That's why honest men should never get into politics - they always turn. On the other hand we need honest men in politics, so the only solution seems that they have to have expiration dates. If we can limit presidents to a couple of terms, then why not congress?

 

[KB5252]

I couldn't agree more. The propaganda is on Level 1000.

Or maybe the truth is just that ugly. Putin is very smart.... But he's also a relic ex KGB operative and he can't handle the PR in the age of technology. In the past it was easy to keep your people in the dark..... Now it's difficult and that is where his plans for war and managing the info has failed.

 

[tvolsfan]

It would be full-on insane for Putin to open another front right now with NATO. He's already getting his ass whooped by just Ukraine.

And, oh by the way, Russia's financial world just fell off the edge of the planet. Oligarchs not happy.

Send the planes. Send the kitchen sink.

I get that, but we have an issue if Russians is launching rockets into Poland.

 

[AM64]

Again just because YOU and I disagree with something doesn’t mean it’s not legal or constitutional. You act like police everywhere were rounding up people and putting them in jail over not wearing masks or being vaccinated and that’s a gaslighting lie. Move to a normal city not run by leftists. I disagree with places like San Francisco and Portland too. But the only way to stop liberal plans is to vote them out. Again even though Knoxville has a liberal mayor the police and no one else supported or enforced any BS by putting people in jail. Also a health department order isn’t anti constitutional when courts say so no matter how much you disagree with it. And writing a civil ordinance ticket isn’t the same thing as hauling people to jail either.

I've always been of the opinion that legislators have too much time on their hands, and that excess time is like idle hands to the devil. In any case it's unfortunate that cops are in the middle - caught between the people who make a lot of needless rules and the people who don't like being limited when there's no clear reason.

 

[MontyPython]

I get that, but we have an issue if Russians is launching rockets into Poland.

NATO Article 5.

 

[apevol]

???

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dont follow MMA?

 

[tvolsfan]

To stop the shelling in Donbas of ethnic Russians and stop any notions of NATO setting foot in Ukraine.

Lol

What about the planned Ukrainian invasion? Already feeling a little silly about that one?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Democrats set up clash with GOP by Pairing Covid relief with Ukraine aid

(CNN) Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill are set for a showdown over Covid-19 relief that threatens to hold up desperately needed aid to Ukraine as the country fights back against Russia's invasion.

House Democrats plan to introduce a massive bill as soon as Tuesday that would extend government funding through the end of September -- and include roughly $10 billion to help bolster Ukraine, according to two Democratic sources. But they are setting up a clash with Republicans over Covid relief money expected to be included in the sweeping package.

Negotiations will take place this week to try to secure a deal to pass the bill before a March 11 deadline when government funding expires. Lawmakers are expected to avoid a shutdown, but if a broad funding package doesn't move quickly, they may be forced to pass another short-term stopgap funding measure.

Democrats set up clash with GOP by pairing Covid relief with Ukraine aid - CNNPolitics

 

[AM64]

So the younger generations are traitors who will renounce their citizenship to avoid fighting?

That would be time to turn the old liberal "too young to vote but not for fighting" against them. Remind them of that and append "you've been given the right to vote ... now earn it".