War in Ukraine

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luthervol said:
It certainly appears one side is far more justified in their position than the other.
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Well, obviously. But what does justification change?

A neutral party that heard the plight of each side would most certainly judge that Russia needs to GTFO and stop being a dick. Ain't happening.
 
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Our ICBM defense is next to non existent. A few dozen interceptors in Alaska and maybe a couple of hundred Navy SM-3's or whatever iteration.
Basically non existent defense only capable of a limited strike by a NK or Iran. And the navy ships have to be positioned perfectly and probably only a 10% kill ratio by any system.

Thinking there is some umbrella is not true.
 
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luthervol said:
So we allow him to hold the world hostage?
What if he said "remove the sanctions or I'll view it as an act of war"? Which he sort of did.
Do we let his threat force us to remove the sanctions because he might be so irrational as to mean it?
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Well he does sort of have Ukraine in his grip and short of a massive military intervention by NATO he will work his will on Ukraine.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I know. You believe that doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, business leaders, CEOs, local state and federal politicians, police, the military, lawyers, the courts, the media and the entire US government is against you
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You know what, when you say it like that, I get even more depressed.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would love for that to happen. Let's start back with the original Minsk II agreements?
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You and Putin can take the Minsk agreements and shove it. They only way this ends is with Russia realizing they can't win and toppling Putin. The rest of the world will arm Ukrainians until the last one dies if needed. Russia then will have to give up ALL lands they took from Ukraine. The sooner this happens the less people will die.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what's with the repeated suggestion of Ras believing that medical professionals, etc are evil/out to get him?

I hadn't come to that conclusion in the Rona thread.
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He's referring to my comments about some hospitals and medical facilities not giving (or allowing) patients that they admitted were dying and they couldn't do anything for, to take ivermectin or leave the hospital and get treatment at other facilities.

I said at one time that the people that made the decision to let those people rot and die without giving them a last gasp/Hail Mary of Ivermectin needed to be arrested/shot/burn in hell/etc...
 
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luthervol said:
So we allow him to hold the world hostage?
What if he said "remove the sanctions or I'll view it as an act of war"? Which he sort of did.
Do we let his threat force us to remove the sanctions because he might be so irrational as to mean it?
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There was ample opportunity to negotiate between 2014 and now.
 
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825VOL said:
You and Putin can take the Minsk agreements and shove it. They only way this ends is with Russia realizing they can't win and toppling Putin. The rest of the world will arm Ukrainians until the last one dies if needed. Russia then will have to give up ALL lands they took from Ukraine. The sooner this happens the less people will die.
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You are not doing the Ukrainians any favors by saying that.
 
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