War in Ukraine

Why is this? Because he wasn’t in lockstep with the republicans? That doesn’t make him a disgrace to this country, it just gets him banned from the cult. ^^^ Case in point

Too many people mistake their political party for “our country.” John McCain gave more for this COUNTRY than most families give in 3 or 4 generations.
McCain’s role in pushing the obviously bogus Steele “dossier” in an attempt to overthrow a duly elected US President was pretty close to treason. It has nothing to do with not being in lockstep with the GOP as much as it was a defacto effort to “destroy democracy”, something I thought Liberals were worried about.
 
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Calls grow to boycott Coca-Cola, McDonald’s and PepsiCo as major firms stay in Russia

Calls have been mounting for a boycott of McDonald’s, Coca-Cola and PepsiCo as the companies have thus far not joined the ranks of other major global firms in pulling their operations out of Russia.

Three Ukrainian supermarket chains announced they are removing Coca-Cola products from their store shelves and the hashtags #BoycottCocaCola, #BoycottPepsi and #BoycottMcDonalds were trending on Twitter over the weekend as customers vowed to shun their products so long as they continue to do business with Russia.

People didn’t stop consuming that crap during a worldwide pandemic that had one of its targets being out of shape people, I doubt those people are going to give it up for hollow support of Ukraine.
 
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No doubt the Republicans will look to lay this at the feet of Biden and the Democrats.
No doubt the Democrats will look to lay this at the feet of Trump and the Republicans.

Should be a good episode.

Trump was in cahoots with Russia, and they said he represented an increased risk that WW3 would begin.....and he did.

That was fast.
 
This represents the disconnect between the East and West.

Trump was despised and not respected in the West where polite norms and pleasantries have reigned during our relative peace and prosperity.

Trump was feared and begrudgingly respected in the East where power, resolve, and a bit of unpredictability are hallmarks of autocratic rule.

Putin was quite hopeful that Trump would continue to drive a wedge between the US/UK and Germany/France in NATO. I would imagine Putin gave a non-zero possibility of Trump actually pulling out of NATO (especially in a second term). That would be a massive win for Putin. That possibility, combined with his unpredictability and willingness to go after other superpowers (look at the trade war with China and strikes on Russian-controlled area of Syria, destroying the Wagner Group in Syria, assassination of General Soleimani), gave Putin pause to pursue more action on Ukraine.

Putin looked at the West's inaction after his invasion of Georgia and Crimea, the disjoined nature of NATO, and Biden's embarrassing withdraw from Afghanistan and saw weakness. He miscalculated that the past actions were indicative of future actions. This, in combination with believing his own BS about Ukrainians wanting to be a part of Russia (although I wonder how much of his own intel community inadvertently contributed to his false perception), set him up for this strategic failure.

The West being perceived as weak and divided represents the greatest risk of WWIII. You have to get out of your American bubble. The world outside of the West doesn't run on pleasantries, social media hashtags, or strongly worded diplomatic statements.
Meh, I think there were several things that occurred in Trump's presidency that helped relations:

1. Trump didn't agitate things in Ukraine, and in fact gave the outward appearance that our justice department was going to be going after the Bidens and others that were involved in corruption over there. Bill Barr ended up stonewalling those efforts, however.
2. Not stirring things up (or at least not at the same levels) as Obama in Syria. That was likely partly due to Russia entering the fight in 2015. Had we had this set of clowns running the show, we likely would have been just as close to a confrontation with Russia in Syria considering we both had troops in the region. One false flag or stray rocket hitting a group of Russian or US troops would have lit a fuse on either side.
3. Trump meeting with Kim in North Korea was more important than I think most people will give him credit for. Showed that he was at least willing to meet with anyone and be cordial. Contrast that with the way the Chinese treated our representatives in Alaska last year... China broke off some disrespect that you would have likely never seen under Trump.

All this talk of Trump talking about telling Putin he would hit Moscow with a nuke and what not I think is BS. As flawed as Trump is, the sad thing is that Trump has probably been the most reasonable and most diplomatic POTUS we've had on the foreign stage since... I can't believe I'm going to say this... Bill Clinton. Certainly since Reagan if you discount Clinton.
 
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This represents the disconnect between the East and West.

Trump was despised and not respected in the West where polite norms and pleasantries have reigned during our relative peace and prosperity.

Trump was feared and begrudgingly respected in the East where power, resolve, and a bit of unpredictability are hallmarks of autocratic rule.

Putin was quite hopeful that Trump would continue to drive a wedge between the US/UK and Germany/France in NATO. I would imagine Putin gave a non-zero possibility of Trump actually pulling out of NATO (especially in a second term). That would be a massive win for Putin. That possibility, combined with his unpredictability and willingness to go after other superpowers (look at the trade war with China and strikes on Russian-controlled area of Syria, destroying the Wagner Group in Syria, assassination of General Soleimani), gave Putin pause to pursue more action on Ukraine.

Putin looked at the West's inaction after his invasion of Georgia and Crimea, the disjoined nature of NATO, and Biden's embarrassing withdraw from Afghanistan and saw weakness. He miscalculated that the past actions were indicative of future actions. This, in combination with believing his own BS about Ukrainians wanting to be a part of Russia (although I wonder how much of his own intel community inadvertently contributed to his false perception), set him up for this strategic failure.

The West being perceived as weak and divided represents the greatest risk of WWIII. You have to get out of your American bubble. The world outside of the West doesn't run on pleasantries, social media hashtags, or strongly worded diplomatic statements.
Agree. The West being divided is the critical element, and where Trump intentionally did the most damage.
 
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We have a Free press. We should be grateful, and protective of it.

We do not have an Honest press. Don’t know how you fix that without infringing on the Free aspect.
We have plenty of honest press, but we have far more dishonest press.
The only way to fix it is for the public to seek out and support the more honest.
Same with politicians.
 
We have a Free press. We should be grateful, and protective of it.

We do not have an Honest press. Don’t know how you fix that without infringing on the Free aspect.
Do your job. Report facts not opinions is a great place to start.
 
Agree. The West being divided is the critical element, and where Trump intentionally did the most damage.
The west was never “divided” on any fundamental issue. Trump’s biggest rift with NATO was that European nations needed to pay more to support their own defense. And guess what, since Russia invaded Ukraine, the Germans have agreed to massive defense spending increases. So the current western “unity” is partly an admission the “Trump was right”
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I just now realized this. But I've not been following much news, even the more conservative news outlets, in the past week and a half. It's been rather relaxing.
 
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Have a friend in the trucking business. He has a large diesel tank where he get's weekly deliveries. He purchases wholesale. His price today? $5.11/gal. Was told it would be higher tomorrow. Gas is going to $7.00 before it's all said and done.

$5.11? Holy freaking heck batman! I figured we have at least until the end of the month before D2 would hit $5. Guess we'll be upping the fuel surcharge again.

Edit: Yep, just pulled a report. Your info is correct, $5.12 is the average at the pump today in TN.
 
We have plenty of honest press, but we have far more dishonest press.
The only way to fix it is for the public to seek out and support the more honest.
Same with politicians.
Best thing we can do regarding the press is dispense with the myth that media can be or should be totally unbiased and objective. That has done more damage to the credibly of the news media than anything else because the public sees the inherent lie in that assertion every single day. It is impossible for anyone to tell a story or fact without unconsciously interjecting some point of view. Democracy is supposed to work by each side making their argument and letting the voter decide. The whole “misinformation” canard going on right now is merely a poorly disguised smokescreen to silence whole points of view which is the antithesis of the Socratic method and honest debate.
 
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We have plenty of honest press, but we have far more dishonest press.
The only way to fix it is for the public to seek out and support the more honest.
Same with politicians.
Honest probably wasn’t the right word.

We have a very Biased press. That is probably more accurate.

And agreed - Can only be fixed from the inside out.
 
$5.11? Holy freaking heck batman! I figured we have at least until the end of the month before D2 would hit $5. Guess we'll be upping the fuel surcharge again.

Edit: Yep, just pulled a report. Your info is correct, $5.12 is the average at the pump today in TN.
I passed a local station a couple of days ago and they were already at $4.79 for diesel about a $1 more than a week earlier.
 
The west was never “divided” on any fundamental issue. Trump’s biggest rift with NATO was that European nations needed to pay more to support their own defense. And guess what, since Russia invaded Ukraine, the Germans have agreed to massive defense spending increases. So the current western “unity” is partly an admission the “Trump was right”
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Your post is LAUGHABLE. Absolute rubbish. Pure revisionist history.

In reality, Trump detested NATO in its entirety and everything is stood for. It was antithetical to his shortsighted and absorbed "America First" policy - regardless of whether every country paid its 2%.

Per Rolling Stone article citing TRUMP'S OWN BOOK:

The statement is yet another attempt by Trump to rewrite “History” by painting himself as NATO’s greatest ally. In one of the former president’s books, The America We Deserve, which was published in 2000, he claimed that money the U.S. sent to NATO was wasted. “America has no vital interest in choosing between warring factions whose animosities go back centuries in Eastern Europe,” he wrote, according to The Daily Beast. “Their conflicts are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually. The cost of stationing NATO troops in Europe is enormous. And these are clearly funds that can be put to better use.”
 
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$5.11? Holy freaking heck batman! I figured we have at least until the end of the month before D2 would hit $5. Guess we'll be upping the fuel surcharge again.

Edit: Yep, just pulled a report. Your info is correct, $5.12 is the average at the pump today in TN.
They told him it would be higher tomorrow. He's had his guys fill up at the pump because it's not caught up at the pump yet. I went by the place I usually get my gas this morning, it was $3.59. Went by at lunch and it was $3.99.
 
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Honest probably wasn’t the right word.

We have a very Biased press. That is probably more accurate.

And agreed - Can only be fixed from the inside out.
The press cannot be unbiased any more than a living person can be unbreathing. The only way to arrive at objectivity (or as close to it as is possible) is let everyone have their inherently biased say and see where the consensus lands.
 
The press cannot be unbiased any more than a living person can be unbreathing. The only way to arrive at objectivity (or as close to it as is possible) is let everyone have their inherently biased say and see where the consensus lands.
Agreed.

That’s why I said we have a “very” biased press.
Would be great if we could have a “less biased” press.

I believe this would fit nicely on one of Luther’s continuums.
 
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