War in Ukraine

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Franklin Pierce said:
Heartbreaking Pictures Show Ukrainian Children Hiding in a Bomb Shelter in Mariupol as Russian troops lay siege to city where Girl, Six, has Died of Thirst After Water Was Cut Off

Heartbreaking pictures have emerged of Ukrainian children, trapped in the besieged port city of Mariupol, hiding in shelters from Russian bombs as the occupiers continued their indiscriminate bombing campaigns today.

Mariupol is one of the Ukrainian cities worst hit since the invasion began, with Russian forces bringing widespread destruction to residential and administrative centres.

Ukrainian territorial defence forces have been able to deliver vital supplies to some residents, but many more remain isolated and unable to access lifesaving rations.

One six-year-old girl, named only has Tanya, has already died of thirst after she became trapped under the rubble of her destroyed home.

It is not known how long the girl had been under the ruins of her home before she died, but her mother was also found dead at the scene.

'In the last minutes of her life she was alone, exhausted, frightened and terribly thirsty,' Mayor Vadym Boychenko said on the city's Telegram channel.

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Heartbreaking pictures have emerged of Ukrainian children, trapped in the besieged port city of Mariupol, hiding in shelters from Russian bombs as the occupiers continued their indiscriminate bombing campaigns today

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President Volodymyr Zelensky said people stuck in the blockaded urban centre are beginning to suffer from a lack of supplies as the city runs dangerously low on food, water and medicine

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People help an elderly woman to walk in a street with an apartment building hit by shelling in the background in Mariupol, Ukraine, Monday, March 7, 2022

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Ukrainian territorial defence forces have been able to deliver vital supplies to some residents, but many more remain isolated and unable to access lifesaving rations

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People queue to receive hot food in the improvised bomb shelter in Mariupol, Ukraine, Monday, March 7, 2022

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The dead body of a person lies covered in the street in the besieged port city of Mariupol, Ukraine, Monday, March 7, 2022

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A girl sits in the improvised bomb shelter in Mariupol, Ukraine, Monday, March 7, 2022

Heartbreaking pictures show Ukrainian children hiding in a bomb shelter in besieged Mariupol | Daily Mail Online
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Ras has assured me that the Russians have kept on critical infrastructure for the Ukrainians.
 
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VolStrom said:
Well, Clinton was a democrat. So if his lips were moving, he was lying, no matter what that meant to the next generation or two.
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In Fairness to Bill, he was the last national Democrat to actually at least make an attempt to be a moderate and govern from the center. After him, the radical left took over the remains of what was once a proud and patriotic party. He was the last adult in the room, even if flawed.
 
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luthervol said:
A higher percentage than that of 2016 Trump voters who regretted voting for that idiot.

Careful how you interpret that or you will inadvertently prove my interpretation.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but was anyone complaining about gas prices when Trump was president, we’re they complaining about jobs or did they just get there feelings hurt by something he said. I’ll be the first to admit that Trump was an idiot because of the things he said on twitter ect. But not by what he did when he was in office.
 
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People don't understand that a "no fly zone" isn't as easy as it sounds. A no fly zone would involve active combat with not only Russian aircraft, but also their air defense systems on the ground. It's not just some political gesture. It's essentially a declaration of war on a nuclear power.

Also, it's completely impractical. Russia would detect any western aircraft entering the region with their long range radars they have stationed on the border. The nearest NATO bases are hundreds of miles away so you would have to rely on tankers to get our aircraft there. Ukraine's airbases would be easy targets for Russia if we attempted to deploy from them. On Russia's side of the border, they have S400s and other SAMs that have a range that can cover most of Ukraine. So, to establish air supremacy, we would have to not only attack Russian ground forces in Ukraine, but also attack Russia on Russian soil.
 
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TAZVOL75 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but was anyone complaining about gas prices when Trump was president, we’re they complaining about jobs or did they just get there feelings hurt by something he said. I’ll be the first to admit that Trump was an idiot because of the things he said on twitter ect. But not by what he did when he was in office.
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Yea, people were complaining in May of 2018 and in May of 2019 when prices reached $3.00.
Trump did a lot of stupid and harmful things while he was in office, but most of them did not have an instantly negative impact on a person's wallet, which is all many can evidently see.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Technically Germany declared war on the US first
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Which was a MONUMENTALY stupid thing to do. The US populace might have demanded a Pacific Only war and left Europe to the British and Soviets. It was not guaranteed that FDR could have gotten a declaration against Germany and Italy.
 
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MontyPython said:
NATO should approve and prepare to establish a No-Fly Zone. Don't do it yet. Just approve it and have it queued up.

Yes, it's provocative.

No, Putin can't do sh*t right now about it.

Technically, it's a "defensive" posture established to protect Ukrainian airspace and its citizens.

If he attacks NATO aircraft, Section 5 is enacted, and then all the West is at war with him. The absolute LAST thing Putin needs right now is the US entering the war. He's already getting his ass handed to him by Ukraine alone. It's become evident that the Russian armed forces are far more pathetic than we could possibly have imagined. It is clear that Russia would be absolutely ANNIHILATED by NATO and the US.

No boots on the ground. Just air defense. If attacked, these planes have the right to defend themselves.

The strategic objective is to simply neutralize Russia's air offensive advantage.

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If the US could have enforced a no-fly zone, it would have been done already.

This is fun and games to you, but this isn't a time where you start bluffing and stirring the pot.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look at what is says, genius. Via the US. It is clear Poland does not want any part of this, they simply would have sent them across their eastern border directly to Ukraine instead of sending them west to Germany.
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say none of them are operational or barely operational. For 30 freaking years Russia hasn't sent them a spare part. They might as well be F-4's from the desert.
 
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MontyPython said:
NATO should approve and prepare to establish a No-Fly Zone. Don't do it yet. Just approve it and have it queued up.

Yes, it's provocative.

No, Putin can't do sh*t right now about it.

Technically, it's a "defensive" posture established to protect Ukrainian airspace and its citizens.

If he attacks NATO aircraft, Section 5 is enacted, and then all the West is at war with him. The absolute LAST thing Putin needs right now is the US entering the war. He's already getting his ass handed to him by Ukraine alone. It's become evident that the Russian armed forces are far more pathetic than we could possibly have imagined. It is clear that Russia would be absolutely ANNIHILATED by NATO and the US.

No boots on the ground. Just air defense. If attacked, these planes have the right to defend themselves.

The strategic objective is to simply neutralize Russia's air offensive advantage.

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I disagree , he could very easily call Ukraine a revolt or uprising since he doesn’t recognize them and start leveling the cities to stop the revolt . Then NATO will either be forced to sit and watch or stop him . He doesn’t have a way out of this to save face and provocation like a NATO no fly zone would provide him with one . ( IMO)
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look at what is says, genius. Via the US. It is clear Poland does not want any part of this, they simply would have sent them across their eastern border directly to Ukraine instead of sending them west to Germany.
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How does that contradict the post at all?

Oh, and if Poland really didn’t want any part of it, they wouldn’t be sending the planes.
 
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