War in Ukraine

[Velo Vol]

 

[hog88]

And again, why was it automatic that we should have jumped in? Ukraine is not in NATO. Nor is Ukraine even in our strategic interests.

1. Our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats have financial interests in Ukraine
2. It's what we do and Putin knows this

 

[Velo Vol]

1. Our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats have financial interests in Ukraine

You could probably say that about anywhere, including Russia.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So when Ukraine breaks Putin’s serve and they slink back across the border to Russia is Zelensky gonna just take Crimea and the two break away regions back or is he gonna get some payback?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

1. Our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats have financial interests in Ukraine
2. It's what we do and Putin knows this

Can't argue with that.

 

[evillawyer]

So when Ukraine breaks Putin’s serve and they slink back across the border to Russia is Zelensky gonna just take Crimea and the two break away regions back or is he gonna get some payback?

I've heard talk of the frozen Russian assets being used for reparations. Don't know if there's any substance to that though.

Seems like the only way for Russia to save face is through an internal regime change. They can put all the blame on Putin and try to do a reset. If Putin stays in power, whether they cede the Ukrainian territory back to Ukraine or not, Russia will continue to be a pariah on the world stage.

 

[DonjoVol]

Why don't

I've heard talk of the frozen Russian assets being used for reparations. Don't know if there's any substance to that though.

Seems like the only way for Russia to save face is through an internal regime change. They can put all the blame on Putin and try to do a reset. If Putin stays in power, whether they cede the Ukrainian territory back to Ukraine or not, Russia will continue to be a pariah on the world stage.

The democrat party should be using their own funds for reparations. Since they were the causes of the issues they claim people need reparations for.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I've heard talk of the frozen Russian assets being used for reparations. Don't know if there's any substance to that though.

Seems like the only way for Russia to save face is through an internal regime change. They can put all the blame on Putin and try to do a reset. If Putin stays in power, whether they cede the Ukrainian territory back to Ukraine or not, Russia will continue to be a pariah on the world stage.

I’d guess every penny the west seizes will be given to Ukraine. Well after they all take their grift cut anyway.

But I was talking more on territory grabs here. I mean after all they’re only acting in their own security they have an aggressor in Russia that has seized lands before it would only make sense to put a buffer zone between them and Russia to protect from further aggression.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’d guess every penny the west seizes will be given to Ukraine. Well after they all take their grift cut anyway.

Which is all the more reason to be suspicious about any legislation involving this Ukraine nonsense. How much of that $20-30 billion they want to send over there is going to be stolen?

But I was talking more on territory grabs here. I mean after all they’re only acting in their own security they have an aggressor in Russia that has seized lands before it would only make sense to put a buffer zone between them and Russia to protect from further aggression.

Am I doing this right?

No, you are not doing it correctly...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Meanwhile, them biolabs... This story isn't going away. Now how long before we finally get confirmation that this disinformation turns out to be true, just like during COVID?

China Amplifies Russian Claims About Secretive US Bio-Weapons Research in Ukraine

China has amplified Russian claims, dismissed as “disinformation” in the west, that the United States has a network of biological labs in Ukraine that are being used to research how to spread pathogens through animals.

Is anybody willing to bet their mortgage that we were not involved in gain of function research?

Zhang Jun, China’s permanent envoy to the UN, also sought to discredit US assertions that claims about the biolabs were without merit, insisting that “concerns raised by Russia should be properly addressed.”

“The US always says they advocate transparency. If they believe the relevant information is fake, they can just provide us with relevant data for clarification, so that the international community can draw a conclusion by itself,” Zhang said.

According to Beijing, US biological military activities in Ukraine represent “merely the tip of the iceberg.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

No, you are not doing it correctly...

Just following your model Cowboy.

 

[n_huffhines]

Stuff like this is nice, but imagine it's American academics and the topic is Iraq in 2003. Regular-ass Russians won't be hearing this, just like regular folks here wouldn't have given a damn.

 

[hog88]

Meanwhile, them biolabs... This story isn't going away. Now how long before we finally get confirmation that this disinformation turns out to be true, just like during COVID?

China Amplifies Russian Claims About Secretive US Bio-Weapons Research in Ukraine



Is anybody willing to bet their mortgage that we were not involved in gain of function research?

I would bet the house that we have been funding and actively involved in GOF along with bio-weapon research in Ukraine and elsewhere.

 

[Gandalf]

Interesting take https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...rasimovs_great_ukrainian_disaster_821552.html

 

[Grand Vol]

Yeah, coming from a country without an Air Force...

Russia-Ukraine: Parliament of NATO country Estonia calls for 'immediate' establishment of no-fly zone

 

[DonjoVol]

I would bet the house that we have been funding and actively involved in GOF along with bio-weapon research in Ukraine and elsewhere.

It's no secret that John McCain, the man with such high integrity according to Luther, was over there in 2014 stirring things up and encouraging Ukrainians to oust a democratically elected leader. Of course he wasn't the only one from our country who went over there to stir up trouble around that time.

Once this happened it led to conflict and we've been selling weapons to Ukraine since.

 

[Gandalf]

Yeah, but let's be honest. What self-respecting Southerner doesn't want a 50 caliber strapped to the back of their 4x4? I suspect most of the forum is getting all jelly looking at that.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Worth a listen. What’s driving Vladimir Putin and his assault on Ukraine?

 

[Velo Vol]

China Amplifies Russian Claims About Secretive US Bio-Weapons Research in Ukraine

History has shown that China's claims on bio-labs are extremely true. Their credibility is impeccable.

Also, COVID was invented in a lab in North Carolina.

 

[MontyPython]

Thread worth reading.

This is great news. Excerpts:

One country in Europe has been bolder in making projections that this war will not end in Putin’s favor: Estonia, for which Russia has historically been the overriding national security and military preoccupation at all levels of government. On Feb. 28, Mikk Marran, the head of Välisluureamet, Estonia’s foreign intelligence service, told New Lines that he didn’t believe Putin could “keep up an intensive war for more than two months” and that ultimately “Russia will not win this war.”

Another senior Estonian analyst with years of experience tracking Russia’s military affairs concurs with that assessment but doesn’t even think it’ll take another two months to bear fruit — it already is doing so. “If Russia does not achieve a remarkable advance by the end of this week, it is difficult to see how [the advance] should come at all,”

The Russians, he added, have not made any serious encroachments for the past few days. However, the situation remains delicate. According to national security reporter Jack Detsch, a senior U.S. defense official said March 11 that Russian forces have made “additional advances” toward Kyiv in the past 24 hours and that Russian troops are less than 10 miles northwest of the capital’s city center and 20 miles east in Brovary.

But the Ukrainians have started to go on a mildly successful counteroffensive north of Kyiv. According to their defense ministry, they recaptured the town of Baklanova Muraviika, thus halting Russian efforts to take Chernihiv. Moreover, Russia’s losses in firepower also tell a story of squandered manpower. As of this writing (late on March 11), the popular, open-source intelligence analysis blog Oryx has verified at least 171 pieces of abandoned Russian equipment and 464 pieces of captured equipment, ranging from tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery and even sophisticated air defense systems. All of this materiel was once manned by Russian operators who have either been taken as prisoners of war or simply deserted and wandered into the Ukrainian countryside.

Karl specifically indicated to New Lines the “massive” fatigue of Russian units as a reason for the sluggish pace of their movement.

“A third of the units have been replaced [as of now], but incoming units have even worse quality. Another third has been destroyed, killed or wounded. Re-formation of units doesn’t have a good impact on combat capability.”

Still another problem bedeviling Moscow is its arsenal, which also seems to have been largely the product of Potemkin imagination, according to Karl. “Putin was told he had [something like] 10,000 missiles. In fact, he had 1,000. It’s peculiar that he didn’t remember how he was lying to his own bosses as a young KGB officer. Such lying is common in the culture.”

Karl is not alone among analysts expecting a grinding path for the Russians from here on.

“If you add up even the cautious casualty estimates, the Russians are trending to 10% out of action,” said Eliot Cohen, dean of the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University and previously a counselor in the U.S. State Department. “That’s usually considered heavy casualties normally, maybe not enough to render you combat-ineffective but close. Particularly if there are disproportionate losses to the front line as opposed to support forces.”

”But their desire to defend their country and their freedom from Russia has contributed to their fighting spirit,” Hertling said. “Having seen Russian army exercises and training events, and observed the poor leadership and corruption of their generals … I knew they weren’t very good. But I didn’t think they would be as bad as they have shown themselves to be.”

 

[KB5252]

It's no secret that John McCain, the man with such high integrity according to Luther, was over there in 2014 stirring things up and encouraging Ukrainians to oust a democratically elected leader. Of course he wasn't the only one from our country who went over there to stir up trouble around that time.

Once this happened it led to conflict and we've been selling weapons to Ukraine since.

A democratically elected leader who campaigned on working with the west who immediately crawfished and did the opposite. The people voiced their displeasure and were ultimately met with force, they responded in kind and overthrew the government. When the government doesn't represent the peoples interest you change it.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I bet you knew who Richard Spencer was when he said he supported Trump. Now he supports Biden.

And yes minority support for Republicans is increasing. You guys are in denial on this one. The obsession with Trump and constantly finding ways to hate people is hurting your party. That and this awful mess of a presidency under Biden/Harris and their controllers. And let's not forget the totalitarian Covid measures which most of us haven't forgotten.

As I said I have never heard of Richard Spencer. If he used to support Trump and now supports Biden, well good. Loyalties change all the time. Everything else we've been talking about is just political hyperbole. Although of course the Left is right and the Right is wrong. And Biden is doing a fine job

EDIT: LOL I just looked up Richard Spencer. Evidently he is a NAZI of some sort. He may say he supports Biden but I don't believe it for a second.

 

[MontyPython]

I've heard talk of the frozen Russian assets being used for reparations. Don't know if there's any substance to that though.

Seems like the only way for Russia to save face is through an internal regime change. They can put all the blame on Putin and try to do a reset. If Putin stays in power, whether they cede the Ukrainian territory back to Ukraine or not, Russia will continue to be a pariah on the world stage.

Using the frozen assets for reparations seems solid at first blush.

Putin's clock is ticking. Given the financial beatdown that's happening, if the military doesn't make significant advances over the next several weeks, I suspect the Russian FSB will report that Putin "fell out a window" and install a new interim President.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I tell you how everyone can come out of this (including Putin). He goes on state tv, says he has failed Russia in his endevour for national security, he did not intend for it to go this far, and resign. Hand it over to free national elections and everyone votes a new leader in. He will, at least, stay alive.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

At that point my guess is the west will lift sanctions.