War in Ukraine

[allvol123]

Ukrainian officials are apparently in disagreement about the US's assessment of the situation. Sounds like somebody's lying.

Russian invaded them years ago. No disagreement there.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russian invaded them years ago. No disagreement there.

The US staged a coup in Ukraine. No disagreement on that.

 

[Grand Vol]

The US staged a coup in Ukraine. No disagreement on that.

Nuland better bring those Chocolate Peanut Butter Pie Oreos next time

 

[allvol123]

The US staged a coup in Ukraine. No disagreement on that.

Yea, those are imaginary Russians that Ukrainians have been trading fire.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yea, those are imaginary Russians that Ukrainians have been trading fire.

Ukrainians trading fire with Russians? When/where are you talking about?

 

[Burhead]

Ukrainians trading fire with Russians? When/where are you talking about?

All along the trench lines in the east.

 

[volbound1700]

He lives in Putin’s drawers.

In truth, I don't really believe that he is pro-Russian, I just think he is in the group that believes the USA behaves badly in all of its actions as well as thinks we can go back to 1800s-style isolation in a world that has vastly changed since that time period.

 

[Burhead]

Ukrainian officials are apparently in disagreement about the US's assessment of the situation. Sounds like somebody's lying.

The military is saying the Russians have or are close to finishing their prep. It seems the disconnect is coming from the civilian leadership.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In truth, I don't really believe that he is pro-Russian, I just think he is in the group that believes the USA behaves badly in all of its actions as well as thinks we can go back to 1800s-style isolation in a world that has vastly changed since that time period.

Tell me what are the strategic incentives for us to risk going to war with a nuclear peer over Ukraine.

 

[allvol123]

Ukrainians trading fire with Russians? When/where are you talking about?

In the eight years since Russia fomented a conflict in eastern Ukraine, life in the capital, Kyiv, has carried on. War has been confined to the east, where Ukraine’s army in recent years mostly traded sniper and artillery fire with Russian-led separatists along largely fixed front lines. Even though 14,000 people have died, the war barely registered for many.

On the Brink of War With Russia, Ukrainians Are Resigned and Prepared

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

All along the trench lines in the east.

When? You mean now or in 2014? And are you talking about cross-border fire or within the eastern provinces?

 

[Burhead]

When? You mean now or in 2014? And are you talking about cross-border fire or within the eastern provinces?

Within the eastern parts of Ukraine. There is no doubt that regular Russian troops are leading the separatist militia forces.

 

[85SugarVol]

When? You mean now or in 2014? And are you talking about cross-border fire or within the eastern provinces?

Doesn’t count.

- Ras

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Within the eastern parts of Ukraine. There is no doubt that regular Russian troops are leading the separatist militia forces.

When?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Within the eastern parts of Ukraine. There is no doubt that regular Russian troops are leading the separatist militia forces.

Yea, those are imaginary Russians that Ukrainians have been trading fire.

So which is it? Are they trading fire or are they leading the separatists?

 

[Orangeburst]

I heard the mot remarkable audio montage today on the radio with Schumer, Pelosi, Biden and Trump comments.

Everyone remember when Trump dressed down Merkel for the Nord Stream commitment. Ex Chancellor of Germany Gerhard Shroeder sits on the board of the pipeline and Trump let Merkel have it saying it weakened Germany and NATO. Nothing to see here are far as grifting and corruption.

Then we had Schumer and Pelosi arguing for the pipeline as it provides Germany "leverage against Russia". .Absolutelly remarkable, especially considering their carbon energy stance at a minimum. And then Biden said "it cannot be cancelled as it is 99% complete", whilst of course cancelling Keystone XL.

Now for the true irony of the situation. The Radicals, who incidentally hate NATO anyway, and the Dems, who argued Trump was destroying NATO, were actually the ones helping create the fracture. And of course Trump was correct once again.

 

[TVOLS]

 

[Orangeburst]

Where are all those pink hat activists calling for the US to avoid war...What was their name?

 

[BreatheUT]

The military is saying the Russians have or are close to finishing their prep. It seems the disconnect is coming from the civilian leadership.

Either someone is overstating or someone is understating?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So basically, it is France and Germany vs the US and UK.

 

[Burhead]

 

[landscapingvol]

So basically, it is France and Germany vs the US and UK.

I am not sure how much trust I would put into any French foreign policy positions, not saying they are wrong.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In the eight years since Russia fomented a conflict in eastern Ukraine, life in the capital, Kyiv, has carried on. War has been confined to the east, where Ukraine’s army in recent years mostly traded sniper and artillery fire with Russian-led separatists along largely fixed front lines. Even though 14,000 people have died, the war barely registered for many.

Yeah, just what I thought. It wasn't Russian soldiers trading fire with Ukrainians, but the separatists. Had it been Russian troops trading fire, you guys and the media would have been apoplectic.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Within the eastern parts of Ukraine. There is no doubt that regular Russian troops are leading the separatist militia forces.

Exactly, not Russian troops, trading fire, but he separatists.