War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, just what I thought. It wasn't Russian soldiers trading fire with Ukrainians, but the separatists. Had it been Russian troops trading fire, you guys and the media would have been apoplectic.
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Lol. Russian led. Think that was organic?

You are so gullible.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is big difference between having advisors and trainers vs actually having Russian troops trading fire. That's why I gave both of you guys every opportunity to clarify your posts.
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Yea, but if the CIA is doing it….oh shizz.

Your love affair with that place is beyond reason.
If the Ukrainians wanted to be a part of Russia it would be easy to make happen. But they don’t want it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is big difference between having advisors and trainers vs actually having Russian troops trading fire. That's why I gave both of you guys every opportunity to clarify your posts.
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I don't need to clarify my posts.

Go back to our original discussion when all of this broke out. Back in 2014 the Ukrainian had beaten the military forces of the LNR/DNR and they were clinging to a very small amount of territory. It was only the introduction of Russian regulars that halted then reversed the Ukrainian advance and forced Minsk I and II on them. If Russia had not intervened with "volunteers" and modern equipment then these little phony republics would have been finished years ago.
 
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Hearing plausible reasons for Putin taking action and not.

For: has invested considerable $$$$ in staging equipment and personnel - an expensive bluff. Spring will make the move very difficult - now or next year.

Against: relationship with China would create major tensions if he distracts from Olympics (which he has plans to attend).

Also seems Germany is waffling between their source of energy and NATO sensibilities.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If we’re gonna prop up a bunch of Commie authoritarians we should buy Venezuelan oil then. Hell at least keep the money close to home.

And wow at our idiot asses buying Russian oil. 😂
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So Trump is called a Russian puppet. Then we find out that was all a lie with Hillary at the helm. He had us energy dependent for the first time in 50 years and exporting oil.

Biden cancels the pipeline, fracking, and starts buying oil from Russia.

Who is the Russian puppet again?
 
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volinbham said:
Hearing plausible reasons for Putin taking action and not.

For: has invested considerable $$$$ in staging equipment and personnel - an expensive bluff. Spring will make the move very difficult - now or next year.

Against: relationship with China would create major tensions if he distracts from Olympics (which he has plans to attend).

Also seems Germany is waffling between their source of energy and NATO sensibilities.
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My biggest against: Cannot politically or economically afford an invasion. Staging a force in nation involves nothing but fuel, which he has plenty.

Just think it a bluff IMO
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
So Trump is called a Russian puppet. Then we find out that was all a lie with Hillary at the helm. He had us energy dependent for the first time in 50 years and exporting oil.

Biden cancels the pipeline, fracking, and starts buying oil from Russia.

Who is the Russian puppet again?
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It is amazing and what is really concerning is their leadership plays them the fool to believe the past 5 years, when they are subject to the very premise.
 
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Orangeburst said:
My biggest against: Cannot politically or economically afford an invasion. Staging a force in nation involves nothing but fuel, which he has plenty.

Just think it a bluff IMO
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He moved forces from the other coast there. He's mobilized heavy armor. It's more the fuel.

Now working against him is the Spring thaw so if it's a bluff he better get what he wants in the next several weeks or his bargaining position weakens considerably. Also, the energy threat to W Europe is most severe now.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
So Trump is called a Russian puppet. Then we find out that was all a lie with Hillary at the helm. He had us energy dependent for the first time in 50 years and exporting oil.

Biden cancels the pipeline, fracking, and starts buying oil from Russia.

Who is the Russian puppet again?
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I generally agree that the Putin's Puppet thing was BS but Trump fed the fire with his joint press conf where he took Putin's side on election interference. His worst moment as POTUS IMHO.
 
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volinbham said:
He moved forces from the other coast there. He's mobilized heavy armor. It's more the fuel.

Now working against him is the Spring thaw so if it's a bluff he better get what he wants in the next several weeks or his bargaining position weakens considerably. Also, the energy threat to W Europe is most severe now.
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What would that be? If road and rail...then I don't see it.
 
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Orangeburst said:
What would that be? If road and rail...then I don't see it.
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all the logistics to move heavy military equipment, supply lines, accommodating troops who are being moved from across a vast country. they aren't shifting resources from the western front where they could be needed against NATO troops. if they invade they also need also the support effort in place to sustain/replenish.

i think the reason it's being taken so seriously is because of how many resources Russia has committed
 
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the resources are coming not from the Western front but from across this massive geographic area. heard one analyst saying as far away as Vladvostok (eastern coast)
 
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volinbham said:
all the logistics to move heavy military equipment, supply lines, accommodating troops who are being moved from across a vast country. they aren't shifting resources from the western front where they could be needed against NATO troops. if they invade they also need also the support effort in place to sustain/replenish.

i think the reason it's being taken so seriously is because of how many resources Russia has committed
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You hit the nail on the head. The fact they are pulling resources from areas closer to North Korea than Europe is what is driving the fears. None of this is routine or normal even for regular exercises. The Russians are masters of maskirovka or deception. Often using "exercises" as cover for military deployments. What do we have in Belarus in February? Joint military training and we have said consistently that an invasion could happen in January or February. February 20th is the closing day of the Olympics and the end date of the Belarusian/Russian drills...
 
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Burhead said:
You hit the nail on the head. The fact they are pulling resources from areas closer to North Korea than Europe is what is driving the fears. None of this is routine or normal even for regular exercises. The Russians are masters of maskirovka or deception. Often using "exercises" as cover for military deployments. What do we have in Belarus in February? Joint military training and we have said consistently that an invasion could happen in January or February. February 20th is the closing day of the Olympics and the end date of the Belarusian/Russian drills...
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So many, what’s the word… coincidences
 
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allvol123 said:
Lol. Russian led. Think that was organic?

You are so gullible.
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Who'd think a guy named Rasputin_Vol would have a hard on for Putin?

Remember, only Western globalists are bad people and act with bad intentions. Anybody that stands in their way is, by definition, good. I kind of wonder if Ras is that American guy on RT Peter Lavelle.
 
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05_never_again said:
Who'd think a guy named Rasputin_Vol would have a hard on for Putin?

Remember, only Western globalists are bad people and act with bad intentions. Anybody that stands in their way is, by definition, good. I kind of wonder if Ras is that American guy on RT Peter Lavelle.
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Just wondering why he hasn’t moved to Russia yet. Quite a wonderful place it appears. Sure they love blacks in Russia. Look at their numbers.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Germany appears to be Putin's "out" if he needs one. Smart diplomatically. U.S. allies are stepping up to counter Russia's Ukraine threats — with a notable exception
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Germany relies on Russia for about a third of its natural gas — a dependency that will only increase with the activation of Nord Stream 2, a multibillion-dollar pipeline finished last year and designed to send even more Russian gas to the country via the Baltic Sea.

We've been saying it but the Biden defenders have continually denied his energy policy is linked to this. The "Putin Puppet" Trump was doing the exact opposite. Interesting which one strengthened Putin's hand.
 
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You have to let Putin come out looking strong. Germany wins, Ukraine wins, US wins. Everybody smells like Roses. That's called diplomacy. You have to have a strong centralist figure in the middle to allow for communication.
 
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