War in Ukraine

[apevol]

Just worked with a contractor that was Russian for a few years. Why do you ask?

I've been trying to talk to as many Russians as I can, since before february. Gotten to know a few a bit.

Obviously I'm not talking to many of the older russians who don't use the internet..

Very interesting people but their youth is nihilistic to the core and pretty hopeless, from what I can tell.

 

[apevol]

The US orchestrated the coup in 2014 and the heavily Russian republics refused to follow that illegitimate govt and chose to breakaway. Fir making that choice, the puppet Ukrainian govt attacked them for 8 years and violated the ceasefire agreements.

Watch the video I posted on the last page.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The US orchestrated the coup in 2014 and the heavily Russian republics refused to follow that illegitimate govt and chose to breakaway. Fir making that choice, the puppet Ukrainian govt attacked them for 8 years and violated the ceasefire agreements.

I am never going to convince you otherwise so keep on believing whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Septic]

I get the Memphis jokes...but making fun of it in regards to children going to Saint Jude? I mean you could of refrained and showed a modicum of class.

Lighten up Francis.

 

[Burhead]

If Belarus goes in more than limited support as they have thus far it will be a significant escalation. Putin knows this, and knows the Polish won't take kindly.

IMO this is a pretty good indicator Putin is not comfortable with how things are going and is willing to risk it. It's a foolish move and could very well get us all killed. But he's committed at this point and there is no return, he has to move forward. He's not nearly as smart as I once believed.

I don't expect the Belorussians to have any more success than Russia, in fact, they'll suffer worse if the Ukrainians can afford to fight another country. Belarus has a smaller army, less equipment, and operates the same equipment but even less modernized than Russia, and to top it off according to reports the Belarus military doesn't want to join in. Will be interesting to watch if Putin/Luka force them in and if so what happens next. Luka needs the Belarus army more than Putin needs the Russian army to stay in power.

 

[KB5252]

You can see the truth right now if you aren't in an emotional blind rage.

I'm had breathed a sigh of relief after seeing these mendacity of the left starting to lose momentum around COVID, and now this conflict is being supported by many on the right to lock us into conflict that could plunge us into the end of humanity. They would take a hardline and avoid diplomatic solutions if it means giving an inch to anyone that opposes them.

Putin is the one hell bent on nuclear war. Sending Belarus into western Ukraine anywhere near the Polish border is mind numbingly stupid during this invasion.

Not to mention threatening to nuke the world if they intervene while soliciting another neighbor to invade. There is no diplomacy when the aggressor continues to escalate. At some point he will have crossed the line and I guess you'll contort yourself into the position that it's the wests fault somehow.

 

[Septic]

Just worked with a contractor that was Russian for a few years. Why do you ask?

Was he an independent contractor that put together facebook in memes in 2016 or was his specialty to sow dissent online in forums?

 

[DonjoVol]

The US orchestrated the coup in 2014 and the heavily Russian republics refused to follow that illegitimate govt and chose to breakaway. Fir making that choice, the puppet Ukrainian govt attacked them for 8 years and violated the ceasefire agreements.

At this point we are wasting our time telling them this. Those of us who have done our proper research into this know you are right here.

All they really have to do is watch the YouTube channels of Patrick Lancaster and Graham Phillips. They can watch the Ukraine on Fire documentary by Oliver Stone and the Donbass documentary by Anne Laure Bonnel. So right there I've provided 4 sources for them. It's up to them to open their minds at this point.

 

[***RoadVol***]

Capacity to what? Get more Canadian oil onto container ships to add to the net export of crude? The US exports about 8.x million b/d.

Can someone explain how the XL pipeline will reduce domestic gas costs when it's all being exported for profit?

You know what... This is topic for a different thread. No need to hijack this one.

I was just pointing out there is still unused capacity without XL.

 

[Ashevolle]

I see you don't refute her argument. This is the leftist way.

Arguing with most "conservatives" is a zero sum game. Unless one likes being gaslighted, having goalposts moved, and being set up for strawman argument tactics. It's the conservative way.

 

[KB5252]

The US orchestrated the coup in 2014 and the heavily Russian republics refused to follow that illegitimate govt and chose to breakaway. Fir making that choice, the puppet Ukrainian govt attacked them for 8 years and violated the ceasefire agreements.

The majority of the country didn't want to be under the rule of a Putin puppet. They elected a leader that ran on being warmer to the west but he cozied up to Putin. You refuse to acknowledge this and claim the the majority in Ukraine should take a back seat to the minority and they should accept a puppet.

They chose the west. The evidence is a free Ukraine fighting Russia today. If they didn't mind being under the thumb of Putin there would be no fight right now. They chose to stand up to Putin and fight for their freedom against the odds. Why can't you acknowledge this irrefutable fact?

 

[KB5252]

Arguing with most "conservatives" is a zero sum game. Unless one likes being gaslighted, having goalposts moved, and being set up for strawman argument tactics. It's the conservative way.

Hi pot, kettle says hello

 

[OrangeTsar]

I don't expect the Belorussians to have any more success than Russia, in fact, they'll suffer worse if the Ukrainians can afford to fight another country. Belarus has a smaller army, less equipment, and operates the same equipment but even less modernized than Russia, and to top it off according to reports the Belarus military doesn't want to join in. Will be interesting to watch if Putin/Luka force them in and if so what happens next. Luka needs the Belarus army more than Putin needs the Russian army to stay in power.

Belarus is Mussolini‘s Italy to Putin’s Hitler act. They will be a greater hindrance to Russia than a help.
Reminds me of the old WWII joke. An aide came in and told the German Field Marshall „Sir, Italy has just joined the war!“. The field Marshall said „Then we shall require ten more divisions.“. The aide said „No, you misunderstood. The Italians joined on OUR side!“. The field Marshall replied „Then we shall need 20 more divisions.“

 

[KB5252]

I don't expect the Belorussians to have any more success than Russia, in fact, they'll suffer worse if the Ukrainians can afford to fight another country. Belarus has a smaller army, less equipment, and operates the same equipment but even less modernized than Russia, and to top it off according to reports the Belarus military doesn't want to join in. Will be interesting to watch if Putin/Luka force them in and if so what happens next. Luka needs the Belarus army more than Putin needs the Russian army to stay in power.

Agree, but if they go anywhere near the Polish border they will have escalated this situation exponentially.

 

[Burhead]

Agree, but if they go anywhere near the Polish border they will have escalated this situation exponentially.

I have no doubt that the goal of any intervention by Belarus is to strike into Western Ukraine and cut off the supply routes from NATO on behalf of Russia. There are moments in history where one action could decide the fates of many and this may be one of those times. God help us if a Belorussian artilleryman misfires and rains down shells on Polish land.

Another flashpoint is going to occur when/if Russia is able to connect the land bridge to occupied Transistria. The Romanians, like the Poles, may decide its better to intervene (seeing how the Russian Army is severely under performing) now and secure their interests in the region and inflict pain on the Russians at the same time.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Lighten up Francis.

It’s kids, Sep. Critically ill kids. LG should have shown some class on that one. None of us are surprised by the post. Sometimes, you pull back on the punch out of decency. Like I said, none of us were surprised by the post.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The US orchestrated the coup in 2014 and the heavily Russian republics refused to follow that illegitimate govt and chose to breakaway. Fir making that choice, the puppet Ukrainian govt attacked them for 8 years and violated the ceasefire agreements.

Darn those Czechs!!! If only they wouldn’t have been rude to those Sudentenland ethnic Germans, Hitler wouldn’t have invaded to defend them!!!!

 

[Burhead]

 

[Orangeburst]

Skillz and great engineering

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Ukraine is winning this rn. They are at a stale mate, and Ukraine is starting to take back many areas.

 

[Burhead]

Hope we don't have to learn what the importance of the Suwalki gap is. Russia could cut off the Baltic's from NATO by land and link up with Kaliningrad. Never thought that Putin would be so stupid but the invasion of Ukraine proved otherwise.

 

[volgr]

I am a conservative and I will refute her. I don’t see how you can accuse Ukraine of „poking the bear“ when for the past eight years have seen Russian forces in Ukrainian territory and absolutely zero Ukrainian forces in Russia over the same period. It is about as disingenuous as suggesting that Poland kept poking the German bear in 1939.

Both sides have provoked and both sides have reasonable grievances. To act as though Ukraine was but an innocent victim in this affair is disingenous as well. This is why my position has been for the US to remain neutral in this regional conflict. We have made the situation worse all around, for ourselves, Europe and Ukraine.

 

[volgr]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Ukraine is winning this rn. They are at a stale mate, and Ukraine is starting to take back many areas.

You have an IQ of a turtle if you believe that. I cant believe you are saying it either.

 

[StarRaider]

Belarus is Mussolini‘s Italy to Putin’s Hitler act. They will be a greater hindrance to Russia than a help.
Reminds me of the old WWII joke. An aide came in and told the German Field Marshall „Sir, Italy has just joined the war!“. The field Marshall said „Then we shall require ten more divisions.“. The aide said „No, you misunderstood. The Italians joined on OUR side!“. The field Marshall replied „Then we shall need 20 more divisions.“

 

[volgr]

Brynn needs to stick to cocktail waitressing. Why would Russia want to escalate beyond Ukraine knowing it would mean all out war with the US/Europe?