War in Ukraine

[IluvdoubleD's]

For the rest of the day I am afforded to sit in a hot tub drinking and eating gummies. Don't come at me with BS, I appreciate what I am given.

 

[McDad]

I’m not far behind you. I can get caught up in spending for defense.

Completely understandable. It is one of the few areas we are constitutionally compelled to spend money on. At least with defense, we meet the criteria for just and noble from a constitutional perspective.

Here's where things get blurry for me. What really is our defense? If we listen to the war hawks and those whose livelihood is rooted in "defense", we can justify everything as defense. Certainly, you will hear me change my tune when Putin invades Alaska. But defense of Ukraine (to me) =/= to defense of America.

 

[allvol123]

Completely understandable. It is one of the few areas we are constitutionally compelled to spend money on. At least with defense, we meet the criteria for just and noble from a constitutional perspective.

Here's where things get blurry for me. What really is our defense? If we listen to the war hawks and those whose livelihood is rooted in "defense", we can justify everything as defense. Certainly, you will hear me change my tune when Putin invades Alaska. But defense of Ukraine (to me) =/= to defense of America.

You aren’t incorrect in many respects.

It is a blurry line. I will submit it will not benefit the US for a nuclear power with non-Western ideologies to expand.

 

[McDad]

You aren’t incorrect in many respects.

It is a blurry line. I will submit it will not benefit the US for a nuclear power with non-Western ideologies to expand.

Good discussion. Much appreciated.

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

we have seen this behavior before, and we will see it again. Don't try to defend it. This time it is with more serious weapons, and so we need more serious patience, but we all know what we are looking at. Unless, you are listening to Russian social.

 

[Septic]

Yea and the list of crap we waste money on that is worse than this, is miles long.

So to bitch about spending this money, is absurd.

Son: Daddy we shouldn’t spend 800 million to help people fighting an evil tyrants that has created millions of refugees?
Dad: no son we shouldn’t, that would add 0.003% to our debt.

DAF

Maybe they can hire Hunter to lead a painting crew when the time comes. Lots of walls going to need a skilled artist to cut in around door jambs and baseboards.

That sh*t ain't easy.

 

[Septic]

Russian's gettin' pooped on to the soulful sounds of Jon Bon Jovi.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I can't say this is real, but I believe it is real. It's real from multiple perspectives.

 

[luthervol]

The cause would be more of the issue than the dollars. Again, containing a mad man that threatens nukes is high on my priority list. Having a department of education isn’t.

They're both high on my list.

 

[volgr]

 

[rocytop2624]

The free world let out a collective sigh of relief when when the orange man boarded AF1 for the last time. That's just a fact.

So if Trump is reelected then what?

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

My Got man. Biden has moved backwards at least three times.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

So if Trump is reelected then what?

at this point? He has about 1/4 the cult followers he used to. No one is anti republican. Get a serious candidate.

 

[McDad]

They're both high on my list.

This supports the idea that one person's just and noble cause is another person's wasteful spending.

The only way to regain control of spending is for everyone to agree theri is no sacred cow holy enough to justify spending. Which is to say, we will never regain control of spending unless something catastrophic occurs.

 

[Hunerwadel]

So if Trump is reelected then what?

If a frog had wings.....

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

There comes a time in life, probably several, in which you have to make a choice. You are not allowed the west's abstinence. Security is sometimes broken by chaotic people.

 

[volgr]

So if Trump is reelected then what?

Sanity, at least in foreign policy, returns.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

There comes a time in life, probably several, in which you have to make a choice. You are not allowed the west's abstinence. Security is sometimes broken by chaotic people.

You should write cards for Hallmark.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

This gets pushed down the road, but Putin comes back stronger. Next time will not be so easy. Also, we are about to enter a period of economic recovery that might not take place. We learn to speak Russian fluntly. That is, the ones that survive the initial strike.

 

[allvol123]

They're both high on my list.

I purposely threw DOE in there to throw you off my “like” trail.

Lol.

 

[volgr]

 

[NCFisher]

I think that guy trying to break-up NATO warned about this.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Blinken is an incredible human. US formally declares Russian military has committed war crimes in Ukraine - CNNPolitics

 

[luthervol]

This supports the idea that one person's just and noble cause is another person's wasteful spending.

The only way to regain control of spending is for everyone to agree theri is no sacred cow holy enough to justify spending. Which is to say, we will never regain control of spending unless something catastrophic occurs.

Undoubtedly.
That's why I've always claimed it would have to be across the board. Double for the military.
Something like 3% across the board cuts, 6% for military.
Also would probably need to be packaged with some tax changes.