Wars, genocide, reparations, religion, etc (split from recruiting forum)

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#129
Jackcrevol said:
Perhaps this is a case of viewing things through a 2022 lens? I cant imagine anyone wanted to see civilians die. Esp after the holocaust. Think about, US didnt want to engage in the War. Remember, the day that would live in infamy.

I'm not justifying things. I'm saying look at the impossible position Harry Truman was in. We had lost over a quarter of a million soldiers. 4 years of war in two separate theaters, one against an unspeakable evil & other against the most ruthless, determined enemy to that time.

Not sure you can apply today's WV against that decision. I can just say i'm glad i wasnt the guy who had to make it.
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If you're old enough to remember, when we started bombing Baghdad during the Gulf War the common attitude of the American public was 'kill more'. The same with the post 9/11 invasions. A lot of people have no problem with civilian deaths, and that's not limited to the US.
 
#130
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Christian Lowe said:
More unified than 1000+ independent tribes with a fair percentage of those at war with each other. If you think we stole this land, do your part and move back to Western Europe.
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Dude we straight up stole it. And half of Mexico. And Hawaii. Do yourself a favor and read up on the subject, if it's something you care about.
 
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EasternVol said:
We could dress it up but essentially it was theft. Such was the way things went then and sometimes now.
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Other people had superior military capabilities and easily crushed the tribes on the battlefield. After this the victors controlled the land and made the rules. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years and there is no changing that....ever. Did the Romans steal land? the Greeks? Israelis? Egyptians? English? Normans? Germans? French? Was all that "theft"?
 
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EasternVol said:
We could dress it up but essentially it was theft. Such was the way things went then and sometimes now.
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I guess if you want to be lazy you could call it theft but they refused to assimilate and they lost their land.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Other people had superior military capabilities and easily crushed the tribes on the battlefield. After this the victors controlled the land and made the rules. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years and there is no changing that....ever. Did the Romans steal land? the Greeks? Israelis? Egyptians? English? Normans? Germans? French? Was all that "theft"?
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If the conquered land was annexed, generally yes.
 
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hog88 said:
I guess if you want to be lazy you could call it theft but they refused to assimilate and they lost their land.
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It's not at all lazy; it's the heart of the matter. If a pedestrian refuses to donate to a drug addict and the addict then elicits the requested donation by brandishing a .45, it's theft.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's not at all lazy; it's the heart of the matter. If a pedestrian refuses to donate to a drug addict and the addict then elicits the requested donation by brandishing a .45, it's theft.
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Whatever makes you feel better. I say screw them.
 
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bcmbvol said:
General Dwight Eisenhower, in his memoirs, recalled a visit from Secretary of War Henry Stimson in late July 1945: “I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’”
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Keywords, belief and minimum loss of face. The first doesn't mean they were trying to surrender and the second says that it was a conditional surrender they were seeking.
 
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#146
On December 29, 1890,

the U.S. Army’s 7th Cavalry surrounded a band of Ghost Dancers under Big Foot, a Lakota Sioux chief, near Wounded Knee Creek and demanded they surrender their weapons. As that was happening, a fight broke out between an Indian and a U.S. soldier and a shot was fired, although it’s unclear from which side.
A brutal massacre followed, in which an estimated 150 Indians were killed (some historians put this number at twice as high), nearly half of them women and children. The cavalry lost 25 men.
The conflict at Wounded Knee was originally referred to as a battle—the Army troops involved were later rewarded with Medals of Honor—but in reality it was a tragic and avoidable massacre. Surrounded by heavily armed troops, it’s unlikely that Big Foot’s band would have intentionally started a fight. Some historians speculate that the soldiers of the 7th Cavalry were deliberately taking revenge for the regiment’s defeat at Little Bighorn in 1876.
Whatever the motives, the massacre ended the Ghost Dance movement and was one of the last major confrontations in the Indian Wars. America’s deadly series of wars against the Plains Indians and other Native Americans.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I mean, if that makes you feel better. In most cases in world history the one that are conquered had previously conquered someone else so...

It's the way of the world.
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That's pretty much what I'd said earlier. How it makes me feel isn't a factor; it's just a statement of fact.
 
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#149
Espn upstate SC radio had a Clemson guy on who said Clemson needs to win this one because Tennessee used to take all the talent from SC which kept them down and UT dominant. If Tennessee wins, they can make the case they’re surpassing Clemson again and revert things back that way.
 
#150
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Espn upstate SC radio had a Clemson guy on who said Clemson needs to win this one because Tennessee used to take all the talent from SC which kept them down and UT dominant. If Tennessee wins, they can make the case they’re surpassing Clemson again and revert things back that way.
 
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