We Can't Challenge The U.S. Military

#76
#76
Economically it would cripple both countries and they know it. Watch the middle East like always, that's were the sheet will hit the fan first.

I don't really know why we'd be parading their general around our facilities though, i'm not sure that's such a great idea. Obama probably thought it up.
 
#78
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MontereyVol said:
1. Google China and Aegis before you go down that road

2. Its easy if you send a bunch of "business men" or "workers" to certain strategic areas, flying in on commercial airplanes and coming in by trains or whatever. They could stage the ME before any Sat would know about it.
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1. I took your advice and found information on surface based radar systems used by our navy and now the Chinese. If this is what you're talking about it has no relevance to my point about global orbit intellegence gathering systems now deployed.

2. How many 'business men' over how many decades are we talking about?
 
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JayVols said:
Am I correct in saying that they are building a supercarrier?
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IIRC, they aren't building it yet but have plans to build one in the near future. Right now, they are refitting the Carrier Varyag which they bought from Ukraine.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
IIRC, they aren't building it yet but have plans to build one in the near future. Right now, they are refitting the Carrier Varyag which they bought from Ukraine.
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Thanks. I knew I heard something about it but couldn't remember exactly what it was.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
They know they are severely lacking in terms of power projection and want to increase their "blue water" capabilities.
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That's always been the knock on them. They would be hell to take on in Asia, but the lack of a 'blue water' navy (if you disregard ICBM's) relegates them to a regional power rather than a world power.
 
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CSVol said:
1. I took your advice and found information on surface based radar systems used by our navy and now the Chinese. If this is what you're talking about it has no relevance to my point about global orbit intellegence gathering systems now deployed.

2. How many 'business men' over how many decades are we talking about?
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The US took 50 years in the development of the Aegis system and implementation to the fleet. The Chinese rolled out their version in only 5. They may be behind in technology but it wont be for much longer. The military estimates it is probably only going to be 5 years or less.

You can move a million passengers on commercial airlines, trains, cars etc in days not decades. They only need to get special units in place to bridge for the foot soldiers to arrive.
 
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MontereyVol said:
You can move a million passengers on commercial airlines, trains, cars etc in days not decades. They only need to get special units in place to bridge for the foot soldiers to arrive.
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I would hate to be the SPO on the Chinese Joint Staff who had to coordinate all the logistics in order to feed, house, and equip those special units once they reached their destination.

I would also hate to be the J3 and have to ensure all the link-up plans are in place.

Moving the those men by commercial airline would be the easy part (of course, it would be extremely difficult to get them on US or Canadian soil); ensuring that they are provided for and prepared to fight on the far end is a whole different beast.
 
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MontereyVol said:
The US took 50 years in the development of the Aegis system and implementation to the fleet. The Chinese rolled out their version in only 5. They may be behind in technology but it wont be for much longer. The military estimates it is probably only going to be 5 years or less.

You can move a million passengers on commercial airlines, trains, cars etc in days not decades. They only need to get special units in place to bridge for the foot soldiers to arrive.
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Espionage has its benefits. It's a tad more difficult when you have to develop something from the ground up.:salute:
 
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therealUT said:
I would hate to be the SPO on the Chinese Joint Staff who had to coordinate all the logistics in order to feed, house, and equip those special units once they reached their destination.

I would also hate to be the J3 and have to ensure all the link-up plans are in place.

Moving the those men by commercial airline would be the easy part (of course, it would be extremely difficult to get them on US or Canadian soil); ensuring that they are provided for and prepared to fight on the far end is a whole different beast.
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I was referring to moving them into the ME. Easy way is to set up a mining consortium and just dress your men as miners and move them in into a base camp and spread out from there.

I believe Clancy has covered this.
 
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JayVols said:
Espionage has its benefits. It's a tad more difficult when you have to develop something from the ground up.:salute:
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True, but what good is the technological advantage if you are spending all the resources and work to get it and then someone comes in and takes it for free.
 
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MontereyVol said:
True, but what good is the technological advantage if you are spending all the resources and work to get it and then someone comes in and takes it for free.
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Not much, honestly. It is alarming how much of our 'secret' technology falls into enemy hands.
 
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So how far "really" are the Chinese from sending up 5thGen fighters? (J-20) I remember how the US went bonkers over early reports on the USSR's M-25 Foxbat. (it did indeed turn out to be fast as hell but not a particularly compentent fighter)
 
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MontereyVol said:
The US took 50 years in the development of the Aegis system and implementation to the fleet. The Chinese rolled out their version in only 5. They may be behind in technology but it wont be for much longer. The military estimates it is probably only going to be 5 years or less.

You can move a million passengers on commercial airlines, trains, cars etc in days not decades. They only need to get special units in place to bridge for the foot soldiers to arrive.
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I still do not see a correlation between the Aegis system and intelligence gatering from space. Information can be produced and processed at a much greater pace than the Chinese navy can pose a serious threat.

To your second point: I am not trying to insult you, but do you seriously believe the Chinese could strategically place "millions" of soldiers throughout the middle East to "stage" a controlled takeover of that region quickly enough to go unnoticed by anyone paying any sort of attention?
 
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MontereyVol said:
The US took 50 years in the development of the Aegis system and implementation to the fleet. The Chinese rolled out their version in only 5. They may be behind in technology but it wont be for much longer. The military estimates it is probably only going to be 5 years or less.

You can move a million passengers on commercial airlines, trains, cars etc in days not decades. They only need to get special units in place to bridge for the foot soldiers to arrive.
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It's unlikely the Chinese will ever catch the U.S. military in tech. It's not like the U.S is sitting around doing nothing. I know they are in the process of testing high altitude stealth drones. They are currently testing rail guns in which engineers believe they will have the tech to install on U.S ships in the next 20 years. They are in the research process of developing the next generation long range stealth bomber. Who knows what else they are working on behind closed doors.
 
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I just saw an episode of 24 where Jack Bauer's dad said China will have passed the USA up in 10 years. Crap.
 
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CSVol said:
I still do not see a correlation between the Aegis system and intelligence gatering from space. Information can be produced and processed at a much greater pace than the Chinese navy can pose a serious threat.

To your second point: I am not trying to insult you, but do you seriously believe the Chinese could strategically place "millions" of soldiers throughout the middle East to "stage" a controlled takeover of that region quickly enough to go unnoticed by anyone paying any sort of attention?
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China is set to launch 5 military Sats this year. How much do you want to bet that those Sats have our technology on them. You under estimate the Peoples Army when it comes to "catching up". The Chineseare also in the advanced stages of Sat killers, so what do we do without our Sats.

Go check the internet, China already has millions of its people around the ME. Bartering deals with certain countries and they are set to go.
 
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vol4eva said:
It's unlikely the Chinese will ever catch the U.S. military in tech. It's not like the U.S is sitting around doing nothing. I know they are in the process of testing high altitude stealth drones. They are currently testing rail guns in which engineers believe they will have the tech to install on U.S ships in the next 20 years. They are in the research process of developing the next generation long range stealth bomber. Who knows what else they are working on behind closed doors.
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All of which means nothing if they can roll out the exact same thing a year later. At a much higher rate of output.
 
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MontereyVol said:
China is set to launch 5 military Sats this year. How much do you want to bet that those Sats have our technology on them. You under estimate the Peoples Army when it comes to "catching up". The Chineseare also in the advanced stages of Sat killers, so what do we do without our Sats.

Go check the internet, China already has millions of its people around the ME. Bartering deals with certain countries and they are set to go.
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I imagine that if my military experience were based on time spent in the Navy and/or Air Force I would see these arguments as incredibly compelling; however, from a land based operations stand point, I see no conceivable way in which China can deploy prepare the battlefield for and deploy a conquering force anywhere outside of South and Southeast Asia (currently, to get to the Middle East they would have to either send troops and supplies through Russia or Afghanistan and then through Iraq or Turkey.
 
#97
#97
My military experience is greatly influenced by the Army and Marines.

You seem to think running over a Middle Eastern country is a hard thing to do. They do not need to conquer countries they just need to control strategic spots, Most of which they would not have to. Set up an alliance with needed country, who would love to have he USA out of their way and they will be good to go.

Also China borders the Stan's, a version of the German Blitzkrieg will do. Another scenario, if they can't succeed is to missile the gulf until no traffic comes out. Shut down the gulf and we are through projecting power.
 
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MontereyVol said:
My military experience is greatly influenced by the Army and Marines.

You seem to think running over a Middle Eastern country is a hard thing to do. They do not need to conquer countries they just need to control strategic spots, Most of which they would not have to. Set up an alliance with needed country, who would love to have he USA out of their way and they will be good to go.

Also China borders the Stan's, a version of the German Blitzkrieg will do. Another scenario, if they can't succeed is to missile the gulf until no traffic comes out. Shut down the gulf and we are through projecting power.
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I think you should look at a world map. The best that China could do would be to set up an alliance with Iran (not implausible); yet, they would then still have to square off with us in Iraq to get to the Arabian Peninsula. Prior to that, we would be alerted to their hostility when they try to push through Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan (both allies of the US which currently house US Soldiers).

China's options for conquest, as I stated earlier, are limited to South Asia (the furthest west would actually be Bangladesh) and Southeast Asia.
 
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MontereyVol said:
China is set to launch 5 military Sats this year. How much do you want to bet that those Sats have our technology on them. You under estimate the Peoples Army when it comes to "catching up". The Chineseare also in the advanced stages of Sat killers, so what do we do without our Sats.

Go check the internet, China already has millions of its people around the ME. Bartering deals with certain countries and they are set to go.
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This seems to be assuming that they are progressing while we remain static.
 
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